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Volume 42: Number 41

Thu, 13 Jun 2024

• 1. Bas Kol (Joseph Kaplan)
• 2. Onaah and economic models (Arie Folger)
• 3. Re: Horeb doesn't discuss Taharas haMishpachah? (Ben Bradley)

Let me try this explanation for the possible non- contradiction of the two
bas kol stories. In the tanur story, Rebbi Eliezer asked for the BK to
intercede. He went outside the usual parameters of deciding Halacha. In
that case, even though the BK answered, the rabbis rejected it to make the
point to other rabbis that their seeking such heavenly support is not the
way we decide halachic disputes and will not help them. It wasn?t really so
much rejecting the BK as it was rejecting the idea of asking heaven to tell
us what to do. In some ways, rejecting action easycapiriachvyo hakacha;
that?s, instead of working in it, just go back to the boss and get your
instructions again.

In the eilu ve-eilu story, no one sought heavenly support. There was an
ongoing dispute and the heavens wanted to use that dispute to teach an
important general lesson about Halacha; namely, that in some situations, we
can take an
eilu ve-eilu attitude even though at first blush such a position is not
intuitive. In that type of situation, where it?s done by heavenly
initiative without an human request and where it?s a new general halachic
idea, we do listen to the BK.

Joseph

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Dear Ovedim,

The premise behind coming onaah is that good are commodities asked they
have an approximate market price. This is definitely true for some good,
but it's it the rule out the exception?

When ploughing through the analyses of the Pitchei Choshen on hilchot
onaah,v it was relatable how well aware the author of the economic reality,
and how Halacha would be different for good for which there is no
commodified marketplace and price. He recognized that even there venues in
which a good is offered for sale would legitimately impact the price.
Translation: the price of a coffee at a cafe is commodified for that kind
of cage, but doesn't obligate the Hilton to charge the same mid level
price.

Now I came across and article that talks about the same phenomenon from the
perspective of microeconomic theory, namely how common is an efficient
market. The conclusion that that though out does definitely exist, it may
not be the norm. This has two kinds of consequences for onaah. Ok there one
hand, there are more markets where we cannot apply on onaah because they
are insufficiently commodified. On the other hand, onaah arguably suddenly
becomes very applicable to market players at the margins of somewhat
efficient markets, i.e. where there is some kind of going rate, but with
many players trying to abide market power and other kind of powers to
collect higher prices.

Thoughts?

https://aeon.co/essays/what-should-econ-101-courses-teach-students-today

Excerpt: ?For example, in the CORE textbook, firms are introduced as having
the power to set prices. That might sound obvious but it?s not how things
work in the typical introductory model of a perfectly competitive market.
In that model, there are lots of identical sellers and the market sets a
price. Firms can choose to either sell at that market price or not sell at
all. Imagine a street with several very similar pizza parlours: if one
tries to charge a much higher price than the others, customers will notice
and stop shopping there, and that parlour will have to lower its price.

At least that?s the old Econ 101 logic. CORE puts that at the back of its
approach to signify that it?s the special case rather than the norm, says
Bowles. Instead, the CORE pedagogy teaches a model where firms sell
different goods, and each has at least some power to dictate prices and
wages. This choice has implications for more than prices. By eschewing the
perfect competition model, CORE introduces the idea that power is a central
aspect of market interactions.?
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I couldn't see it there either. It's place would have to be in Section IV
(chukim) chapter 69 - enobling of animal nature. And it's not there. He
tangentionally refers to mikva	briefly in that chapter, making the
omission all the clearer.
My guess is that he felt he couldn't discuss hit with his 19th C German
target audience with alienating them to some extent. At least in Horeb,
which was his first publication, aimed at as wide a readership as possible.

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