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Volume 41: Number 45

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From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 21:51:36 +0000
Subject:
[Avodah] Weighty Waiting Options


From

https://ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/5206

Covetous Carnivores

Another prime example of halacha being set by the actions of those less
than virtuous, is the tragic chapter of the rabble-rousers who lusted after
meat, and disparaged Hashem?s gift of the Heavenly bread called manna
(munn), chronicled at the end of ParashasBeha?aloscha. The pasuk states
that ?the meat was still between their teeth? when these sinners met their
untimely and dreadful demise. The Gemara extrapolates that since the Torah
stressed that there was meat between their teeth, it means to show us that
meat between the teeth is still considered tangible meat and requires one
to wait before having a dairy meal afterward.


Please see the above URL for a thorough discussion of the various customs of how long one waits to eat dairy after eating meat.


Professor Yitzchok Levine




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Message: 2
From: Joseph Kaplan
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:34:01 +0000
Subject:
[Avodah] Shoa


There are other reasons why the Shoa is sui generis. In none of the other
tragedies perpetrated against the Jews did a government seek to annihilate
the Jewish people. Spain wanted to expel the Jews (who could stay if they
converted). The Crusaders were not the government(which often, if only
for practical reasons) tried to save Jews. The Romans were putting down
a rebellion (and took lots of Jews as slaves).But the Nazis government
had only one goal: complete annihilation. Period. That was their goal
with no recourse other than the Allies defeating that government as,
thank God, they did.

Don't misunderstand me. What all these events had in common is that
the perpetrators were evil people. I'm not justifying or defending them
one iota. But the Shoa was different in scale (off the page different)
as well as intent. It never happened before and, please God, it will
never happen again.

-- email #2 [-micha] --

Joel Rich asks: A recent article made the case that the shoa was sui
generis in Jewish history. Would you agree or disagree? (more of interest
to me "why?")"

I would agree. My reason is scale. Take the Kishinev pogrom which resulted
in convulsions throughout the Jewish world and beyond. Total killed --
49. Horrifying; terrifying; unacceptable doesn't begin to describe it.

Now imagine if you can having one Kishinev a day for about 335
years. That's the Shoa. (A similar calculation can be done with the
Crusades (the last estimate I heard from a scholar was maybe 5,000)
and other horrifying events. The numbers will be somewhat different,
but not appreciably so.)

Joseph
Sent from my iPhone


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