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Volume 40: Number 17

Tue, 08 Mar 2022

• 1. WATCH: Rav Chaim ? May One Rely on Letters of the Chazon Ish? (Prof. L. Levine)
• 2. Re: Those Whose Halakhic Status Is Questionable (Toby Katz)
• 3. Re: Those Whose Halakhic Status Is Questionable (Zev Sero)
• 4. Re: YU and Torah U Madda today (Ben Bradley)

From

https://vinnews.com/2022/03/06/watch-rav-chaim-may-one-rely-on-letters-of-the-chazon-ish/?utm_source=feedburner&;utm_medium=email

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WATCH: Rav Chaim - May One Rely on Letters of the Chazon Ish? -
VINnews<https://vinnews.com/2022/03/06/watch-rav-chaim-may-one-rely-on-letters-of-the-chazon-ish/?utm_source=feedburner&;utm_medium=email>
BNEI BRAK (VINnews) ? In a rare video published on Kikar Shabbos for the
first time ever, HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky is seen discussing whether
?Kovetz Igros? of the Chazon Ish can be relied upon for psak halacha. Click
to get Text Message Updates right to your phone Join our WhatsApp group In
the footage, [?]
vinnews.com

BNEI BRAK (VINnews) ? In a rare video published on Kikar Shabbos for the
first time ever, HaGaon HaRav Chaim Kanievsky is seen discussing whether
?Kovetz Igros? of the Chazon Ish can be relied upon for psak halacha.

In the footage, recorded about 15 years ago, Rav Chaim?s close talmid,
Rabbi Uri Tiger, is seen asking about a statement in the sefer ?Az
Nidberu?, saying one may not rely on the letters to pasken. However Rav
Chaim Greineman disagreed and held that the letters may be relied upon.

See the above URL for a video and more.

YL
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On 6 Feb 2022 in Avodah Digest, Vol 40, Issue 9R' Akiva Miller
<akivagmil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have read many articles over the years...which
> talk about how traumatizing that event was [Churban Bayis Sheini]. And
> especially so, once the
> chachamim of the time realized that this was no 70-year blip like the first
> Churban, but that we were now in it for the long haul. And we are indebted
> to them for their foresight in engineering a new Judaism for the new era.

> This revision affected many areas of Torah. The one we encounter most
> frequently might be the replacement of korbanos with tefilah. This change,
> of course, was sanctioned by the pasuk "unshalma farim s'faseinu", but we
> are so accustomed to it that we forget (or perhaps never really
> appreciated) how revolutionary it was to those who lived through it....

The churban and the loss of the BHM'K was traumatizing but it's hard
to imagine that replacing korbanos with tefila was such a revolutionary
change. Davening was always part of Jews' daily life wherever they were,
whether they were visiting the BHM'K during shalosh regalim or at any
other time of the year or any other place. Just look at Chana's tefila,
look at the entire Sefer Tehilim, look at the numerous prayers recorded
throughout Tanach said by individuals in times of need.

--Toby Katzt6...@aol.com
=============

On 6/3/22 03:41, Toby Katz via Avodah wrote:
> The churban and the loss of the BHM'K was traumatizing but it's hard
> to imagine that replacing korbanos with tefila was such a revolutionary
> change. Davening was always part of Jews' daily life wherever they were,

Indeed it was, but it was not seen as substituting for korbanos. 
Tefilah was tefilah and korbanos were korbanos, and the idea that they 
were interchangeable must have seemed as strange as the idea that 
tefillin and tzitzis are interchangeable would seem to us.  One must 
wear both tefillin and tzitzis, and one must daven and bring korbanos. 
But post-churban we moved to the idea that by davening we were keeping 
not just the mitzvah of tefilah but also that of korbanos, and that must 
have seemed revolutionary.

-- 
Zev Sero            Wishing everyone health, wealth, and
z...@sero.name       happiness in 2022

Reposting on avoda:

[Micha, on Areivim, about questionable material being taught in YU's
secular studies colleges:     -mb]
> This is a topic RYBS addressed, and came out in favor for. More than
> once he objected to the idea that YU might become a "Catholic College".
...
> To RYBS, it seems "Torah uMadda" (not that he ever used the idiom) would
> mean learning how to live with and even when necessary *despite* the
> conflict, not a synthesis that isolates the student from the challenges.

There seem to be three distinct models of learning Madda.

1. TIDE of R Hirsch, who advocates learning chol from the vantage
point of Torah. Kind of being mekadesh the chol. But always very clearly
distinguishing between kodesh and chol

2. RYBS with his dialectic tension / "never the twain shall meet" approach

3. Torah u'Maddah of R Norman Lamm with its synthesis approach which
seems to put the two more on a par of importance according to his book.

What's interesting is that of these three the far and away most popular
amongst those who have an active ideology on the matter is R Lamm,
rather than that of the two more senior scholars' (I think it's fair to
say) opinions. Second is R Hirsch, and almost no one seems to actively
espouse RYBS's shita on this, rather just to see it as an interesting
aspect of his hashkafa. Probably because it's so hard to actually think
that way. Also interesting is that people almost universally associate
the shita of R Lamm with RYBS, despite them being radically different,
and that R Lamm's historical place as the originator of the approach is
very largely overlooked.

DOI: I'm a Hirschian in this regard and many others. I'm actually quite
repelled by R Lamm's approach. But that's by the by.

Ben


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