Volume 40: Number 16
Fri, 04 Mar 2022
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Joel Rich
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 09:00:19 -0500
Subject: [Avodah] Raui Lachilat kelev
Some of you may have heard the story sourced below from Rabbi Jachter:
A charming anecdote that occurred in Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik?s Shiur at
Yeshiva University in the 1970?s (reported by Rav Yosef Adler and many
others) is often cited in support of the common practice to be lenient. The
Rav stated in Shiur that toothpaste is not Ra?ui Liachilat Kelev (unfit for
canine consumption) and thus one is permitted to consume it on Pesach even
if it contains Chametz. The next day in Shiur a student raised his hand and
explained that he conducted an ?experiment? the night before. He related
that he placed toothpaste in his dog?s feeding bowl to see if his dog would
eat it ? and indeed, the dog ate the toothpaste!! Rav Soloveitchik simply
responded, ?Your dog is crazy.? This story illustrates the ruling that we
cited last week from Rav Soloveitchik that the standards of edibility are
not determined by aberrant behavior.
Me-I?ve heard Rav Schacter say many times that they often wondered about
some of The Rav?s practices only to find out that they were directly from
the Shulchan Aruch. I?m sure I am one of the few who didn?t realize that
the Rav?s response in the anecdote is really sourced in the Chulin 49B
where the rabbis rejected Rabbi Simeon?s proof that a snake will drink
brine by saying that the snake he saw do it was a foolish snake and thus
you can?t bring a proof from that case to general snake behavior. In case
you?re one of the other?s who didn?t realize this was the source, I thought
it was worth mentioning.
KT
Joel Rich
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Message: 2
From: Joel Rich
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 08:58:44 -0500
Subject: [Avodah] seiffim in S"A
I just read that the printers of the Bei Yosef (in Venice) were the
originators of the breakdown of the seifim within each siman of the Tur and
BY. Is this generally known/accepted?
KT
Joel Rich
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Message: 3
From: Zev Sero
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 10:32:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [Avodah] seiffim in S"A
On 2/3/22 08:58, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
> I just read that the printers of the Bei Yosef (in Venice) were the
> originators of the breakdown of the seifim within each siman of the Tur
> and BY. Is this generally known/accepted?
Do you mean the numbered se'ifim in the Shulchan Aruch, or the "dibur
hamaschils" in the Bet Yosef? (I've never seen any divisions at all in
the Tur.)
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Zev Sero Wishing everyone health, wealth, and
z...@sero.name happiness in 2022
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Message: 4
From: Simon Montagu
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 18:42:34 +0200
Subject: Re: [Avodah] seiffim in S"A
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:35 PM Zev Sero via Avodah <avo...@lists.aishdas.org>
wrote:
> On 2/3/22 08:58, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
> > I just read that the printers of the Bei Yosef (in Venice) were the
> > originators of the breakdown of the seifim within each siman of the Tur
> > and BY. Is this generally known/accepted?
>
> Do you mean the numbered se'ifim in the Shulchan Aruch, or the "dibur
> hamaschils" in the Bet Yosef? (I've never seen any divisions at all in
> the Tur.)
>
Recent editions of the Tur have the numbers of the seifim from the SA added
in for ease of reference. The result is a little strange, since the numbers
are scattered between the text of the Tur itself and the BY and not
consecutive in either place.
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Message: 5
From: Joel Rich
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 11:32:45 +0200
Subject: Re: [Avodah] seiffim in S"A
> ?On 2/3/22 08:58, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
>> I just read that the printers of the Bei Yosef (in Venice) were
>> the originators of the breakdown of the seifim within each siman
>> of the Tur and BY. Is this generally known/accepted?
>
> Do you mean the numbered se'ifim in the Shulchan Aruch, or the "dibur hamaschils" in the Bet Yosef? (I've never seen any divisions at all in the Tur.)
>
> -/-/????-
Unfortunately I wrote this a while ago and have since switched computers
and can?t find the original document. I will try and reach out to somebody
who knows about manuscripts and printing to see if I can locate it
Kt
Joel Rich
>
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