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Volume 38: Number 15

Sun, 01 Mar 2020

• 1. Re: Haneitz? (Akiva Miller)
• 2. Re: Haneitz? (Micha Berger)
• 3. coronavirus (Eli Turkel)

R' Micha Berger wrote:
> So haneitz is zerizim maqdimin to be yotzei lekhat-chila.

The importance of saying Shacharis at Haneitz is much more than simply
z'rizin makdimin. I'm even tempted to say that it has nothing to do with
z'rizin makdimin, and the proof is that the same pasuk is used for two
purposes: Shacharis at the very beginning of the day, and also Mincha at
the very end.

Mechaber 89:1 - "The time for Tefilas Hashachar: Its mitzva is that one
should begin with Haneitz Hachama, as it is written, Yira'ucha Im Shamesh."

Brachos 29b - R' Yochanan said, "It's a mitzva to pray when the sun is
red." R' Zeira said, "What's the pasuk? Yira'ucha im shamesh,
v'lifnay yare'ach, dor dorim." (Tehillim 72:5)

Brachos 29b Rashi -  "Yira'ucha im shamesh" - This is Tefilas Yotzer.
"V'lifnay yare'ach" - This is Tefilas Mincha.

Shabbos 118b Rashi - "V'lifnay yare'ach" - Prior to the light of the moon,
while the sun has not yet set.

Brachos 29b Steinzaltz - "When the sun is red" - Tefilas Yotzer with
Haneitz Hachama, and Tefilas Mincha with Shkias Hachama.

Brachos 29b ArtScroll note 11 - These two times (just after sunrise and
just prior to sunset) are the most propitious for reciting the morning and
afternoon Prayers respectively.

Unfortunately, I was unable to find any mention of this in the poskim,
other than a reference to the writings of Rav Kook at Arutz Sheva (
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24777) which says:
"The best time for the Shacharit prayer is the first opportunity of the day
to pray - "with sunrise." And optimal time for the Minchah prayer is at the
end of the day, as the sun is setting - "before the moon."

I believe that the above is true l'halacha, but in the l'maaseh there is a
very big difference between Shacharis and Mincha, perhaps explained best by
Gemara Brachos 29b, immediately after the line I quoted above. "In the west
[Eretz Yisrael] they would curse someone who davens [Mincha] when the sun
gets red. Why? Because he might miss the zman." In order words, there is no
downside to saying Shacharis at the very earliest time, but there is a very
great danger in delaying Mincha to the very latest time. I suspect that
this is why discussions about the time for Mincha center on "How early CAN
I daven", and not on "When is the BEST time to daven."

Akiva Miller
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50am EST, R Akiva Miller wrote:
> R' Micha Berger wrote:
>> So haneitz is zerizim maqdimin to be yotzei lekhat-chila.

> The importance of saying Shacharis at Haneitz is much more than simply
> z'rizin makdimin...

Which is why my post continued.

As I noted, the Rambam says it's the sole right time, and everything else
is inferior.

Why would he say that?  Likely the pasuq the machaber quotes:
> Mechaber 89:1 -- "The time for Tefilas Hashachar: Its mitzva is that one
> should begin with Haneitz Hachama, as it is written, Yira'ucha Im Shamesh."

And so, I concluded that the main reason is being chosheish for the Rambam's
reasoning.

But even if your confidence in halachic process is such that you don't
need to go beyond the Tur's shitah and minhag yisrael, there is still
zerizim maqdimin.

But there is more! Because doing anything before minyan is lesse Majeste
or borders on it. (Thus we don't eat before davening, uless needed for
davening, we don't go in order to greet people...) So, there is more
drive for "as early as possible" than most mitzvos.

And I think that is why:
> Unfortunately, I was unable to find any mention of this in the poskim,
> other than a reference to the writings of Rav Kook at Arutz Sheva
> (<http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24777>)
> which says:
> "The best time for the Shacharit prayer is the first opportunity of the day
> to pray -- "with sunrise."...

I have heard Breslover speakers argue similarly.

Kevasiqin is for OT1H chassidim and other benei aliyah who want to follow
the beautiful idea in the pasuq in Tehillim, and OTOH for Briskers and
the sort who are regularly chosheshim for rejected shitos. But never
caught on among those in the middle.

(It is also more common among actual vasiqin, as waking up enough before
haneitz to catch a minyan kevasiqin is frustratingly common among the more
"ancient" among us. That's when my father amu"sh started.)

-Micha

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Micha Berger                 "'When Adar enters, we increase our joy'
http://www.aishdas.org/asp    'Joy is nothing but Torah.'
Author: Widen Your Tent       'And whoever does more, he is praiseworthy.'"
-- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF -- Rav Dovid Lifshitz zt"l

halkachic cautions in the face of coronavirus

https://www.torahmusings.com/2020/02/precautions-in-shul-in-the-wake-of-coronavirus/


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Eli Turkel
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