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Volume 35: Number 4

Fri, 06 Jan 2017

• 1. Re: yaakov vs yehuda (Zev Sero)
• 2. Re: Tichleh Regel Min Hashuk (Akiva Miller)
• 3. Re: dvar reshut (Akiva Miller)
• 4. The Many Facets of Asarah B'Teves (Professor L. Levine)
• 5. Re: dvar reshut (Rich, Joel)
• 6. Re: The Many Facets of Asarah B'Teves (Zev Sero)
• 7. HARav Asher Weiss - Metzora 5772: ?Kashrus Verification? (Prof. Levine)

On 05/01/17 21:15, Michael Poppers via Avodah wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, what is p'shat in R'uvein's words/which "two sons"
> was he referring to?  In this week's sedra, four sons are listed;
> and at the time he said "es shnei vanai tamis", one would think at least
> three if not all four were already born....

Perhaps Chetzron and Karmi were twins, and born between the two scenes.

But the premise of this thread remains without foundation.  There is no 
record of Yehuda saying what was attributed to him, and therefore no 
question.


-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

R"n Toby Katz wrote:

> Thus, if shops close at midnight most nights of the week,
> midnight would be the time of Tichleh Regel Min Hashuk even
> on Friday night and Motzai Shabbos.
> But again I don't really think "shuk" means literally "market"
> here but more generally, outside, out on the streets.

As a matter of wording and meaning, I accept this. But what Pirsumei Nisa
would be accomplished?

The Jews are at home eating the seudah on Friday night. They are not on the
streets as late as during the week. Why can't I simply light before
Shabbos, and Jews will see the neros while they come home from shul, quite
possibly during bein hashmashos? Why do they need to burn longer than that?

Suppose I had some sort of system by which the neros are lit after tzeis
and the Jews are already home, but there are still plenty of non-Jews in
the streets. (We are discussing Hilchos Chanuka here, *not* Hilchos
Shabbos, and *not* Mitzva Habaa b'Aveira.) Is that going to accomplish
Pirsumei Nisa?

Akiva Miller
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R' Joel Rich asked:

> Is there a true concept of dvar reshut or at every moment
> is there only one thing that maximizes HKB"H's happiness
> with us? (I realize one could say these are not mutually
> exclusive)

As an illustration, let's say that I have decided to go learn some Torah,
and I am deciding whether to learn this sefer or that sefer.

Certainly, Hashem would be "happy" (whatever that means in His context)
regardless which I learn, but one sefer or the other would be the one that
*maximizes* HKB"H's happiness with me. It is hard for me to imagine that
both seforim are equally valuable to the One Who judges b'chut hasa'arah.

With that illustration, I think RJR's question might be rephrased: Am I
*obligated* to choose the sefer that maximizes His happiness with me, or
may I choose either one?

My feeling is that this touches upon the very nature of the concept of
"obligation". Why on earth would one think that it is okay to choose the
one that *doesn't* maximize His happiness? I don't know if I'm "obligated"
to choose the better one as a matter of legality, but am I not obligated to
do so by *practicality*? Why would one shirk away from maximizing His
happiness? This is a matter of logic, not law.

It is probably impossible for a mere mortal to figure out which sefer is
the better choice, so I can't imagine that Hashem would punish one for
choosing the lesser choice. But that only applies to "punishment" in the
simple sense. There will certainly be consequences for the choice, for he
will know this sefer better than that sefer. He will reap rewards for
choosing the better, and suffer consequences for choosing the lesser.

I now think that the question might be reframed to say: Are you asking
about law, or about consequences?

Akiva Miller
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From

http://tinyurl.com/htce7ow


Although to many the only notable aspect of the upcoming fast of Asarah
B'Teves (the 10th of Teves) is that it is by far the shortest fast day in
the Jewish calendar for anyone in the Northern Hemisphere (my heartfelt
sympathies to the South Americans, So'Africans, Aussies, and Kiwis),
nonetheless, the Fast of Asarah B'Teves is quite unique. For example,
exclusive to this fast is that it is the only one that we do actually
observe as a fast on a Friday[1]<http://ohr.edu/5324#_edn1>. Even
Tisha B'Av, which commemorates the actual destructions of our Batei
HaMikdash, gets pushed off. Yet, obviously, to maintain this distinction of
being the only Fast Day that we actually do observe on Friday, there must
be much more to the Fast of Asarah B'Teves than meets the eye. In turns out
that Asarah B'Teves has several exceptional characteristics that are not
found in any other fast day.


See the above URL for more.  YL
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> Is there a true concept of dvar reshut or at every moment
> is there only one thing that maximizes HKB"H's happiness
> with us
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It is probably impossible for a mere mortal to figure out which sefer is
the better choice, so I can't imagine that Hashem would punish one for
choosing the lesser choice. But that only applies to "punishment" in the
simple sense. There will certainly be consequences for the choice, for he
will know this sefer better than that sefer. He will reap rewards for
choosing the better, and suffer consequences for choosing the lesser.

I now think that the question might be reframed to say: Are you asking about law, or about consequences?
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I agree that one could differentiate between law and consequences as you
articulated. In a relationship of ahava I would simply think in the
maximization terms.  The practical nafka mina to me is how much effort does
one expend to determine the local maximum if there is only one thing that
maximizes.
KT
Joel Rich
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On 06/01/17 03:40, Professor L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
> For example, exclusive to this fast is that it is the only one that
 > we do actually observe as a fast on a Friday. Even Tisha B?Av, which
> commemorates the  actual destructions of our Batei HaMikdash, gets
 > pushed off.

Not true.  We never push off a fast because it's on a Friday (except Yom 
Kippur).  It's just that none of the other major fasts ever happen to 
fall on a Friday.   If they did, there is no question at all that we 
would fast.  Minor fasts, such as the fasts observed by the Chevraya 
Kadishaya, *can* fall on Friday, and when they do they are completed.



-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

 From http://www.torahmusings.com/2012/05/audio-roundup-35/

Why can?t we rely on eid echad neeman b?issurin 
(one witness is sufficient in cases of ritual 
prohibition) in kashrut supervision?

R?AW?s opinion is that eid echad is not a rule to 
neemanut (trustworthiness) but in hanhaga (how to 
act) ? that in case of doubt you can rely on a 
single witness (proofs include there is no testimony and no beit din).

However, over the years the Rabbis make 
fences/judgments (e.g. requiring a ritual 
slaughterer to show his knife). So today (see 
chachmat adam 200 years ago) we don?t rely on 
anyone who has a monetary interest (me ? but then 
what about the agency being paid?).

Then discussion of one of my favorite topics ? 
Chazal and statistics. R?AW says out loud what 
I?ve whispered to my chaburah ? Chazal did not 
engage in statistics! First he discusses why a 
miyut shachiach (normally found minority?) is of 
concern (why not just say rov [majority] is 
sufficient?) ? Perhaps because of concern for 
margin of error. Then on to miyut hamatzui 
(material minority) and the famous 10% rule of 
the Mishkinot Yaakov ? he feels tshuva is 
misread; while it does mention 10% with some 
?interesting? proofs, the conclusion is that it?s 
just about what?s ?common? ? and the real problem 
is defining ?common? in age where a shocheit may 
shecht 100X as many animals in the old days. 
That?s why we steer clear of doubt!!!!! Oy, if only they would ask an actuary?

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https://web.stevens.edu/golem/
llevine/kashrus/Rav%20Weiss%20Tazria%205772%20English%20Kashrus%20Verificat
ion.mp3


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