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Volume 33: Number 101

Mon, 20 Jul 2015

• 1. Rav Kook on Exercise (Prof. Levine)
• 2. Kaddish Yasom (Joel Schnur)
• 3. Re: Kaddish Yasom (Micha Berger)

At 04:53 PM 7/20/2015, R. Ben Waxman wrote:

>Orot, Orot Hatechiya, 34:
>
>Exercise, (which young Israel is getting involved in, in Eretz Yisrael,
>to strengthen their bodies in order to be vigorous for the nation),
>improves the spiritual strength of the greatest tzaddikim, those who
>involve themselves  in "the unification of God's names" (my translation
>of a phrase which I admit I don't get), and increases the transmission
>of God's light in the world, because there is no revelation at all of
>light without all components being present.
>
>Turns out that (according to Rav Kook) not only does Talmud Torah
>increase the merits to the army/state/people, but just having people
>trying to be healthy, active, in shape, improves Talmud Torah, as long
>as both sides are doing this for the nation.

See 
"<http
://personal.stevens.edu/%7Ellevine/exercise_torah_cc_v2.pdf>Exercise
, 
Torah Learning and the Chofetz 
Chaim"   http://personal.stevens.edu/~llevine/exercise_torah_cc_v2.pdf

Reb Yaakov Kamenetsky was an avid swimmer all of his life.  I recall 
when he came to Monroe to spend a Shabbos with his son Avraham.  He 
was in his 80s I believe.  Well,  he put on his bathing suit,  a robe 
and went to the pool.  He then proceeded to jump into the pool and swim laps.

This spread like wildfire in the 3 colonies in Monroe.  People could 
not stop talking about it.  It eventually got back to Reb Yaakov who 
quipped,  "I wish they are as excited about my learning as they are 
about my swimming!"

YL
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Re: Micha's questioning kadish yasom(KY) after kidush levana, the Vilna 
Gaon has a shortened version(doesn't he always?) that starts with the 
bracha and ends with siman tov. There is no Aleinu, hence no KY. He also 
holds that "sh'ain l'harbos b'k'dashim shelo l'tzorech, hence,there is 
only once KY per tefila. After the Yom by shachris and after Aleinu by 
mincha & maariv. Minhag Ashkenaz is not to say kadish d'rabonan 
during/after tefila but only after limud agada. The chasidim adopted the 
custom of saying it from the Seforadim and that's how it entered their 
ritual.

I remember davening once at the Boro Park nusach HaGra k'vosikin minyan 
way back and was struck by the number of KYs that were said. The 
gabbai's answer was that it was too difficult to stop the "kadish 
zogers" from having their way. B"H, at our Flatbush Nusach HaGra 
k'vosikin minyan (Young Israel of Ave K, East 29th and K) under Rav 
Aryeh Ralbag guidance, we are have not had to compromise the Nusach 
HaGra way of davening. Shachris is 45 minutes before HaNetz every shabos 
and YT.
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 06:03:46PM -0400, Joel Schnur via Avodah wrote:
: I remember davening once at the Boro Park nusach HaGra k'vosikin
: minyan way back and was struck by the number of KYs that were said.
: The gabbai's answer was that it was too difficult to stop the
: "kadish zogers" from having their way...

REMT said something that makes me wonder... He suggested that our
(non-Yekke) current practice of every avel saying qaddish is to make it
condusive for aveilim to feel they're discharging their duty. Many men
first started attending minyan regularly during aveileus and kept on doing
so for the rest of their lives. Do you really want to discourage that with
"Ah, why bother, I probably wouldn't get a turn this time anyway!"?

A similar argument would change the priorities the Gra assumes about
making extraneous opportunities for Qaddish.

The AhS OC 55:4 gives this explanation for the creation of a 2nd
opportunity for Qaddish Yasom at the end of Shacharis.

He also writes that the Qadmonim only said 7 qaddeisim a day:
    Shacharis, after each of Yishtabach, Tachanun and UVa leTzion
    Minchah, after Ashrei and Tachanuun, and
    Arvis -- before and after Shemoneh Esrei.

He quotes the Roqeiach invoking the pasuq "sheva bayom haleltikha" to
explain that 7 was an intentional, significant, number.

The AhS continues that three more were added when Aleinu was appended
to the end of each tefillah. For the sake of yesomim who didn't get
the amud. And significance was found for that, by reading Tzadi"q as an
acronym, and each letter a gematria. Each day a tzadiq would say
     90 times amein,     (tzadi)
      4 qedushos,        (dalet)
     10 qadeihim, and    (yud)
    100 berakhos         (quf).
(Citing the NMA.)

Then he discusses leining adding one. "Veyoseir ein maqom laqadeishim",
and still we added after Shir shel Yom because there were more yesomim,
but more than that -- the AhS does not permit.

-Micha

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