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Volume 01 : Number 046

Saturday, September 12 1998

• Re: Kal VaChomer
• Re: Kal VaChomer
• panim chadashos
• Re: Yeridas HaDoros
• Re: Public Discussions of Arayot
• Re: Yeridas HaDoros
• Re: Yeridas HaDoros

The fact that kal v'chomer has limitations such as "dayo lavo min hadin l-
hiyot k'nadon", (I love transliterating these things <g>) based simply on
gezeirat hakatuv categorizes it as a middah rather then a sevara, which
would find its limitations in logic alone.



I don't understand why Kal VaChomer is listed as a middah shehaTorah
nidreshes bah, and not considered a form of s'varah.

The fact that kal v'chomer has limitations such as "dayo lavo min hadin l-
hiyot k'nadon", (I love transliterating these things <g>) based simply on
gezeirat hakatuv categorizes it as a middah rather then a sevara, which
would find its limitations in logic alone.



I don't understand why Kal VaChomer is listed as a middah shehaTorah
nidreshes bah, and not considered a form of s'varah.

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:17:24 -0500 owner-avodah@aishdas.org (Avodah)
writes:
>
> gershon.dubin@juno.com (Gershon Dubin) asks:
>
>>	How about ponim chadoshos-do women qualify?
>
>yes.
	You need to **wait**  until I **ask** you for sources?

Gershon

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In a message dated 98-09-11 13:59:40 EDT, you write:

<< 
 While Yeridas HaDoros may be an observable phenomenon, it is not a
 principle of Judaism, as evidenced by the halacha - at least theoretical -
 that a greater Beis Din later in history can overrule a lesser Beis Din's
 earlier enactments.
 
 YGB >>
I assume by greater you mean bchachma ubminyan.  Any insights as to how
chachma is measured-does Yeridat Hadorot play a part?  What exactly is this
yerida measured by?The concept itself seems very ingrained in at least current
popular Jewish thinking and if it is a principle or even a phenomena which has
continued unchecked throughout Jewish history , are we on an inexorable march,
and to what??

Shabbat Shalom, Ktiva vchatima tova
Joel Rich

Akiva Miller and others have brought up the dynamic nature of
email discussions as a counterargument to my claim that as a
print medium, this list was a legal medium in which to discuss
arayot.  Now that we're going into the details of what email 
is, it seems we should make further distinctions.  I see your 
point on the ephemeral nature of email.  However, by the same
token, archived lists such as this one, or newsgroups which are
automatically archived on DejaNews, would *not* be so ephemeral,
and *should* count as permanent print media.  Ironically, this
would rule out the ad-hoc arayot list that someone else wanted 
to set up - as a list managed by a big CC: list, with no central
archive, it would be ephemeral, and thus fit the "dorshin" 
description better.  The same would hold for an unarchived email
reflector.

Shabbat shalom, gotta run.

	Jonathan Baker
	jjbaker@panix.com

> I assume by greater you mean bchachma ubminyan.  Any insights as to how
> chachma is measured-does Yeridat Hadorot play a part?  What exactly is this
> yerida measured by?The concept itself seems very ingrained in at least current
> popular Jewish thinking and if it is a principle or even a phenomena which has
> continued unchecked throughout Jewish history , are we on an inexorable march,
> and to what??
> 
> Shabbat Shalom, Ktiva vchatima tova
> Joel Rich
> 
What does popular CURRent thimking mean, the gemar shabbos 112b "if the
early generations are angels then we are mere humans, and if they are
humans we are donkeys...." it would seem that this principle has always
been known. as far RYGB question--I hope to check my sources and verify
the answer that we spoke about today
Elie Ginsparg

In a message dated 98-09-11 19:16:15 EDT, you write:

<< 
 > I assume by greater you mean bchachma ubminyan.  Any insights as to how
 > chachma is measured-does Yeridat Hadorot play a part?  What exactly is this
 > yerida measured by?The concept itself seems very ingrained in at least
current
 > popular Jewish thinking and if it is a principle or even a phenomena which
has
 > continued unchecked throughout Jewish history , are we on an inexorable
march,
 > and to what??
 > 
 > Shabbat Shalom, Ktiva vchatima tova
 > Joel Rich
 > 
 What does popular CURRent thimking mean, the gemar shabbos 112b "if the
 early generations are angels then we are mere humans, and if they are
 humans we are donkeys...." it would seem that this principle has always
 been known. as far RYGB question--I hope to check my sources and verify
 the answer that we spoke about today
 Elie Ginsparg
  >>
I used the modifier of "in at least current popular thinking"so as not to get
involved in a debate as to the historical basis of the issue .
Shavua tov, ktiva vchatima tova
Joel Rich

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