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Volume 42: Number 79

Thu, 28 Nov 2024

• 1. How to spell and pronounce Yishmael (Jay F. Shachter)
• 2. Al Tifrosh Min Hatzibur (Akiva Miller)
• 3. infusions (Joel Rich)
• 4. schchita/death (Joel Rich)

> 
> The name "Yishmael" ....  I think it would be quite reasonable for
> the Ayin to have a shva, and the Aleph to have a tzere, forming a
> compound word: Yish-ma*-el, God-heard.  That's the usual way to
> construct this kind of name. Betzal-el, Mahalal-el, Nesan-el,
> Sh'lumi-el, and many others - not to mention Yisra-el - put the
> tzere on the Aleph.
> 

I don't know that there are, as you say, "many others".  Shlumi'el,
and Gamli'el and Pag`i'el and Gaddi'el and `Ammi'el, do not belong on
this list (and Yisra'el certainly does not), because you're looking
for names where the 'el is preceeded by a schwa, unless you say that
the unvocalized yod has an implicit schwa.  Are there "many other"
names where the 'el is preceded by an explicit schwa, such as you
proposed would be "quite reasonable" for Yishma`el?  You mentioned
three.  How "many others" can you name?  I'm not sure that "Yishma`'el"
with a schwa underneath the `ayin would be any less weird than the one
that we have, inasmuch as there are, as you say, a couple of other
names with the same property:


> 
> Besides Yishmael, there are a very few other exceptions. Daniel has
> the tzere on the yud, and Yechezkel has it on the kuf, the same
> oddity as Yishmael.
>
> Jezreel has no tzere at all, but it does have a segol, and it is on
> the ayin.
> 

However, if you want to strengthen your argument for the weirdness of
"Yishma`el", you can point out that in all the other names you give
with "the same oddity as" Yishma`el, the letter with the tsere or the
segol is preceded by a schwa (and this is also true, in a sense, of
"Daniyyel", because the yod has a dagesh xazaq), and in "Yishma`el"
that is not the case.  So maybe "Yishma`el" is as weird as you say it
is, but for reasons that you did not state.


               Jay F. ("Yaakov") Shachter
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               When Martin Buber was a schoolboy, it must have been
               no fun at all playing tag with him during recess.

.
In today's Kitzur Shulchan Aruch Yomi, halacha 17:10 is mostly about a
couple of different scenarios where a person is in shul while the tzibur is
saying Shema, and how he must say it together with them.

That halacha ends with this: "Likewise, other things which the tzibur says
- such as Ashrei, and Aleinu, and such, and even piyutim - he says with
them, and he must not separate himself from the tzibur."

My question is about the word "uk'duma", which I translated as "and such".
It seems to be a catch-all. What else is included in this halacha? Is
anything excluded?

For the purposes of "not separate himself from the tzibur", are Az Yashir
and Shir Shel Yom any less important than Ashrei and Aleinu?

Akiva Miller

PS: Can anyone show me where the Kitzur's source for this is? Thanks!

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I recently heard R H Schacter say that R YBS took an infusion in his old
age in order to be able to fast on Yom Kippur. Anyone know any details?
bsorot tovot
joel rich
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Fascinating quantum physics/observer effects from the gemara chulin 121.
Any thoughts, halachic or philosophical would be appreciated.
1 a jew shechts a non-kosher animal for a non-jew. If the jew intends that
it will be eaten by a non-jew it will be subject to tumat ochlin even
though the animal is still shuddering (i) apparently it doesn?t matter what
the non-jew was thinking (ii) if the jew wasn?t thinking then the animal is
not subject to the tumah (iii) it doesn?t matter that shechita wasn?t
really defined/activated for non-kosher animals (iv) does the jew?s intent
need to include that he is doing an act of shechita or simply that he
physically happened to kill the animal with an act that would be defined as
shechita on a kosher animal?)

2 According to chizkia a shuddering animal after shechita is no longer
living but not yet dead. Does this indeterminate status have any
implications for the human definition of death? Schrodinger?s cat?

bsorot tovot

joel rich
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