Volume 42: Number 16
Wed, 06 Mar 2024
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Message: 1
From: Joel Rich
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:29:11 +0200
Subject: [Avodah] rava and abaye
The gemara (chulin 101b) is discussing isur mosif/collel. It is analyzing
the case of yom kippur that falls on shabbat and trying to explain the
opinion that if one violated shabbat bshogeg but yom kippur bmeizid, he?d
be chayav but if he violated shabat bmeizid, but yom kippur bshogeg, he?d
be patur. Abaye explains the reason as shabbat kvia vkayme (it?s set since
sheishet ymei bereshit) whereas yom kippur bei dinia dkakava lei (it?s
dependent on when bet din declares the month.) Rava rejects this approach
with, ?in the end they both come together? and provides a historical answer
(based on shat hashmad). Is this an argument based on historical mesora? On
what basis did rava reject abaye? What did they see differently?
Bsorot tovot
joel rich
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From: Joel Rich
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 08:31:56 +0200
Subject: [Avodah] kol nidre
A recent article in Hakirah discussed Kol Nidre and the initial
overwhelming rabbibic opposition to it being said. While no one knows for
sure, I remember learning that it was almost demanded by amcha because of
their having made coerced commitments to other religions which they wanted
to disavow. Anyone have a source of any kind?
I wonder how many practices that seem at odds with what the pure would
demand are due to amcha insisting on them. A delicate dance between the
people and the gedolim?
bsorot tovot
joel rich
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