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Message: 1
From: Michael Feldstein
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:17:24 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] Article


Can i still sign up for Areivim?  Don't think I get that?

MF

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 1:16?PM Michael Feldstein <
michaelgfeldst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No worries. I am fine with that.
>
> MF
>
> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 1:14?PM Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 05:35:57PM -0400, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>> >    Michael-Feldstein-1530953592-400x400.jpg
>> >    Avodah/Areivim: The Model for
>> >    Online Discussion of Torah Topics
>> >    blogs.timesofisrael.com
>>
>> There isn't much here. And, we discussed the article already on Areivim
>> when it first appeared on JL.
>>
>> So, while it's great to know it's on your blog too, posting this to
>> Avodah isn't the way to inform the chevrah.
>>
>> :-)BBii!
>> -Micha
>>
>> --
>> Micha Berger                 "The worst thing that can happen to a
>> http://www.aishdas.org/asp   person is to remain asleep and untamed."
>> Author: Widen Your Tent             - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of
>> Kelm
>> - https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF
>>
>
>
> --
> Michael Feldstein
> 56 Crane Rd.
> Stamford, CT 06902
> 203-327-1672 (landline)
> 203-554-1511 (cell)
>


-- 
Michael Feldstein
56 Crane Rd.
Stamford, CT 06902
203-327-1672 (landline)
203-554-1511 (cell)
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Message: 2
From: Micha Berger
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:14:11 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] Article


On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 05:35:57PM -0400, Michael Feldstein wrote:
>    Michael-Feldstein-1530953592-400x400.jpg 
>    Avodah/Areivim: The Model for            
>    Online Discussion of Torah Topics        
>    blogs.timesofisrael.com                  

There isn't much here. And, we discussed the article already on Areivim
when it first appeared on JL.

So, while it's great to know it's on your blog too, posting this to
Avodah isn't the way to inform the chevrah.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 "The worst thing that can happen to a
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   person is to remain asleep and untamed."
Author: Widen Your Tent             - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of Kelm
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF



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Message: 3
From: Michael Feldstein
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:16:41 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] Article


No worries. I am fine with that.

MF

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 1:14?PM Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 05:35:57PM -0400, Michael Feldstein wrote:
> >    Michael-Feldstein-1530953592-400x400.jpg
> >    Avodah/Areivim: The Model for
> >    Online Discussion of Torah Topics
> >    blogs.timesofisrael.com
>
> There isn't much here. And, we discussed the article already on Areivim
> when it first appeared on JL.
>
> So, while it's great to know it's on your blog too, posting this to
> Avodah isn't the way to inform the chevrah.
>
> :-)BBii!
> -Micha
>
> --
> Micha Berger                 "The worst thing that can happen to a
> http://www.aishdas.org/asp   person is to remain asleep and untamed."
> Author: Widen Your Tent             - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of
> Kelm
> - https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF
>


-- 
Michael Feldstein
56 Crane Rd.
Stamford, CT 06902
203-327-1672 (landline)
203-554-1511 (cell)
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Message: 4
From: Zvi Lampel
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 14:45:10 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Machlokos on Peyrushim Mekubalim


Countless mefarshim and mechabrim have understood the Rambam to hold that
there can be no machlokes /*about*/ peyrushim mekubalim miSinai, and
give *docheh
teyrutzim *to obvious contradictions in Shas to the idea. The Chavos Yair
lists several examples and ends with his hands up in the air.

In *Dynamics/Understanding Machlokes *I make the case that the Rambam never
said such a thing, and what he did say is that if it is agreed a halacha is
something Msoshe Rabbeynu taught us explicitly, no one would /*contest/* it.
I also deal with why he feels it necessary to make such an apparently
obvious point.

As with all brilliant chidushim, the ma'aleh is also the chisaron.--No one
else has said it, and indeed I found that everyone else assumes otherwise.
Until now. I have just discovered that Rav Yitzchak Sheilat (the Rosh
Yeshiva and contemporary translator of the Rambam's works from Arabic to
Hebrew)  is of the same opinion as I.

Baruch Shekivanti (although I think I said it in print first...).

Zvi Lampel

https://www.ybm.org.il/Admin/uploaddata/LessonsFiles/Pdf/18467.pdf
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Message: 5
From: Joel Rich
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 19:58:33 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Rules of Psak


 I was wondering if you have any thoughts on why the mechaber said he was
going to give psak based on the 2 of 3 rulel(which in my mind was a huge
chiddush that I was never sure of the basis for) but it seems to me if one
were actually to read his work without knowing that algorithm, that one
would ever come up with it given all the alternative opinions he quotes,
etc. Wondering if you have any thoughts on that.
KT
Joel Rich
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Message: 6
From: Akiva Miller
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 22:44:19 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Names and Families


I'm curious about the structure of the genealogy that we find in Pinchas,
perek 26. I am NOT asking about the need for the genealogy, nor about the
many incidental facts and stories that are mixed into this section.

My question is about the names of the individuals, as compared to the names
of their respective families. For example, let's take Reuven's first two
sons and their families, as named in pasuk 26:5 - "Chanoch
mishpachas haChanochi, l'Falu mishpachas haPalu'i." - "Chanoch, the
Chanochite family; Pallu, the Palluite family."

I find it odd that for every single person listed here, his name is
followed by the name of his family, yet there is really no new information
being taught to us, because in every single case, the name of the family is
essentially identical to the person's name, except for some grammatical
adjustments to convert the proper name into an adjective.

This question is even stronger if we look at how Onkelos translates these
pesukim. He does not even convert the name to an adjective, but he leaves
all those names in the original form. For example, he translates the above
sample as, "Chanoch, the family of Chanoch; for Pallu, the family of
Pallu."  Onkelos doesn't even change the vowels, except at the end of a
phrase (like Peretz/Paretz and Zerach/Zarach in 26:20).

What new information are we taught? Why does the Torah bother with such
redundancy, just to tell us that each family was named after the progenitor
of that family? Is that surprising in some way? Perhaps there was a family
that chose a different name for itself, and I missed it?

Thanks in advance!

Akiva Miller
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Message: 7
From: Joel Rich
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 20:00:34 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Too Much of a Good Thing?


I?ve noticed sometimes that prior to giving someone an aliya at shabbat
mincha, a gabbai will ask whether the individual had an aliya (assumedly
anywhere) that morning. I?ve also seen prospective aliya recipients (e.g
the gabbai comes over and asks their name) volunteer that they had an aliya
that morning. In both cases the result is usually that another oleh is
found. If I am correct, what is the basis for this practice (other than
maximizing aliya distributions?
KT
Joel Rich
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