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Volume 40: Number 55

Sun, 14 Aug 2022

• 1. Re: Bias kulchem (and rubo k'kulo) (Joel Rich)
• 2. Re: Bias kulchem (and rubo k'kulo) (Micha Berger)
• 3. Normative Law? (Joel Rich)
• 4. Re: Chidushim in sefer Chafetz Chaim (Micha Berger)
• 5. Use of a Hotel Microwave (Prof. L. Levine)

This is the position I have heard R' H Schachter articulate
kt
joel rich

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:33 PM Zev Sero via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> Doesn't "bias kulchem" require that each shevet be living in its own
> territory?  Since we have no idea who is from which shevet, and only a
> somewhat vague idea of where each shevet belongs, and we can be pretty
> sure that the economics that dictate where people choose to live take no
> account of this, it seems to me that we don't have to worry about this
> as a practical matter until Eliyahu comes and sorts it all out for us.
>
>
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On Sun, Aug 07, 2022 at 10:23:00PM -0400, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
> According to the people quoted in these articles
> https://afbiu.org/news/biu-futurist-predictions
> https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/08/02/according-to-demographic-numbers-israel-will-become-the-center-of-jewish-life/
> within the next 30 years, two-thirds of world Jewry will be living in Eretz
> Yisrael.

The idea that "kol yosheveha aleha" means in their sheivet's ancestral
land is discussed in Tosafos Niddah 47a "lo kulhu saluq". Rabbeinu Tam
rejected the idea, which is why he held that there was Yovel deOraisa
during Bayis Sheini.

The CI (Shevi'is 21:5) writes that Shemittah and Yovel could be deOraisa
even during galus and before sheivet identity is restored. Whereas he
discusses Challah but doesn't end up giving a pesaq.


We quite probably passed the point a while ago of having rov of people
who are halachically Jewish living in Eretz Yisrael.

The Jewish Agency published
<https://www.jewishagency.org/jewish-population-5782> in preparation
for last Rosh haShanah. It says there are 15.2 mm Jews, of whom 6.93 mm
live in Israel. If we could have just accepted those numbers, we would
be talking about 45%.

Meaning, if the population of chu"l is overreported by just 670,000,
we already reached majority.

In chu"l, the numbers of Jews are obtained from self-reporting. In
Israel, it's by Rabbanut Records. While no institution is perfect, and
certainly so for gov't offices, the Rabbanut's numbers are going to be
in the same ballpark as the number of halachic Jews according to your
favorite poseiq's position.

Not all of Medinat Yisrel is in the Eretz Yisrael we were promised by the
Ribbono shel Olam. Do they count? 2/3 of the Negev is south of Sheivet
Yehudah. But this is a tiny effect. The biggest concentration of Jews in
question is Eilat's 49,000 (assuming a Gooogle'd up number of 96% Jewish).

The self-reporting is bound to include well over the 700,000 or so who
self-identify as Jews but halachically nachriim to tip the balance to "kol
yosheveha aleha", at least for any dinim that do not require shevatim.
Self-identified patrilineal in the US alone accounts for more than that.
Add to that non-halachic converts, children of non-halachically Jewish
mothers.


I therefore think the CI would require we do away with all haaramah in
how we fulfill terumos, maaseros and maybe shemittah. A HUGE argument
against Heter Mechirah AND Otzar Beis Din.

But at least you can be meiqil and still burn your challah lechatchilah.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 You want to know how to paint a perfect
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   painting?  It's easy.
Author: Widen Your Tent      Make yourself perfect and then just paint
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF    naturally.              -Robert Pirsig

Sometimes it seems to me that there may have been original reasons for a
practice but that practice then becomes something more like normative law
detached from the reasons. An example might be turning around for lcha
dodi. Originally the practice may  have been to face the west or to face
the doors etc. but in many communities, it  just became to turn around.
Thoughts?
kt
joel rich
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On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 08:32:49PM +0000, Ben Bradley via Avodah wrote:
> In the course of this, we've come across a fascinating diyuk made by the
> CC in a footnote to Lashon Hara clal 10 halacha 10. He says that only
> consistent transgression of mitzvos bein adam l'makom can take a Jew out
> of the category of 'amisecha' which changes much about the way we relate
> to him. But persistent transgression of mitzvos bein adam l'chaveiro
> does not, not matter how frequent or blatant. This is entirely based on
> a diyuk from R Yona in Shaarei Teshuva 221, which is very short and is
> about the halacha of reporting an offense against someone in order to
> make good the loss suffered.

The CC LH 10:10 fn 30 gives a rationale. 

First, it's not all BALM, it's only one that is mefursemet. So, someone
who sins against Hashem in way that an amisekha wouldn't.

But the reason given for why BALC is different is that
   It is known by BALC that all that Rabbeinu Yonah illustrated about
   gezel, nezeq, tza'ar and boshes they initially ceom from the reason
   that they yeitzer thereby convinces him that this is something it
   is mutar to do to another. Even if in reality the other is just
   in his opposition....

The bottom line seems to be that BALC is so evil, we don't assume that
one is doing it to rebel against membership in the "am" and thus ceasing
to be "amisekha" but that they'll convince themselves their grevance is
just.

And I think we see this day-to-day. Frum Jews who rip off their customers
still want to be and think of themselves as frum Jews. But someone who
doesn't keep basic hilkhos Shabbos must realize at some level they left
the communal norms.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 Between stimulus & response, there is a space.
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   In that space is our power to choose our
Author: Widen Your Tent      response. In our response lies our growth
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF    and our freedom. - Victor Frankl, (MSfM)

The following is from today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis.


Q. I am on vacation and would like to use the microwave in my hotel room.
One must assume that the microwave had previously been used with non-kosher
food. How should this microwave be kashered?

A. The microwave oven should be cleaned well and left idle for 24 hours.
Therefore, if one is staying in the hotel for only one night, it cannot be
kashered. After 24 hours, a full cup of water should be heated in the
microwave for ten minutes allowing the water to overflow and the microwave
to fill with steam. Steam condensate should be apparent on all the
surfaces, otherwise the kashering is not effective. The cup should then be
moved to another location in the microwave and again the water should be
boiled for ten minutes.

The above kashering is sufficient to kasher the walls and ceiling of the
microwave, but it is insufficient to kasher the glass turntable, which is
assumed to have had direct contact with non-kosher food. Instead, the glass
plate should be wrapped in two layers of plastic wrap.

Alternatively, so long as the microwave is clean, one may use it right
away, so long as the food is properly sealed so that the steam does not
leak out. It is proper to double wrap the food, for instance with both
plastic wrap and a paper bag. This way, in case the inner plastic layer
bursts, the food is still protected by the outer paper seal.

Professor Yitzchok Levine
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