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Volume 39: Number 103

Fri, 24 Dec 2021

• 1. Re: titanu (You let us wander) (Micha Berger)
• 2. Re: Repeating during davening (Micha Berger)
• 3. Re: haminhag pashut? (Micha Berger)

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 09:38:25PM -0500, elazar teitz via Avodah wrote:
> Aside from the difficulty of "You let us wander" not being confession to an
> aveira, it would seem that the CA's interpretation is open to question on
> grammatical grounds.  The root for "wander" is tav-ayin-hei, while "leading
> astray" has the root tav-ayin-tav-ayin, as in Yaakov's argument to Rivka in
> B'reishis 27:12; and it is the latter root which appears in the Viduy...

Maybe more of a question for Mesorah, but... What would the shoresh of
a tav-ayin-tav-ayin word be in an exclusively Three Letter Root system?

IE explaines kimsa'teia' there as "kaful, mgezeriras to'eh" like a person
who causes another to err. And HaKesav vehaQabbalah, "migezeiras to'eh,
and the pei and ayin [of the shoresh] are doubled..."

So I am not sure the difference is all that stark. Maybe it is more that
"stray" and "err" are farther apart than each's closest Hebrew equivalent.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 What we do for ourselves dies with us.
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   What we do for others and the world,
Author: Widen Your Tent      remains and is immortal.
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF                      - Albert Pine

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 06:40:48AM -0500, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
> I think the essence of my question is: Why are the repetitions in Hallel
> exempted from this?

Because it was written to be sung, and repeating words in song lyrics
is less semantically significant than in poetry or prose?

I know that's pretty balebatish, but maybe the straightforward answer
is all you need.

In which case, whether or not repeating words in Lekha Dodi might depend
on your nusach. In Ashkenaz, LD has a chorus, and is clearly lyrics. But
most Sepharadim don't repeat the first two lines as a chorus. Second
maybe, maybe this is because they feel they are singing a poem, rather
than holding that R Shelmo al-Qabetz expected his words to be sung.

> Whoever it was that decided to repeat lines which Dovid Hamelech did NOT
> repeat, why did they do it, and what was the motivation?

Along the same lines -- "Ki le'olam chasdo" is clearly used as a chorus.
As if we needed more than Mizmor leDavid et al..


Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 When you come to a place of darkness,
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   you don't chase out the darkness with a broom.
Author: Widen Your Tent      You light a candle.
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF      - R' Yekusiel Halberstam of Klausenberg zt"l

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 03:53:00AM +0000, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> I've noticed that sometimes the Aruch Hashulchan will say "haminhag
> pashut" and sometimes "Kdamnuni (it appears to me) haminhag." I wonder
> what his algorithm was for these categorizations.

They seem different on a literal level:
1- a widespread minhag (haminhag hapashut),
vs
2- a situation that comes up rarely enough that RYME can only say what
seems to him to be what we are noheig to do in that siuation.

So I am unclear why you would ask for an algorithm for choosing them.
The words describe different situations.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 The waste of time is the most extravagant
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   of all expense.
Author: Widen Your Tent                              -Theophrastus
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF


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