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Volume 39: Number 82

Sat, 25 Sep 2021

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Message: 1
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:25:55 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Is it a proper warning, or is it lashon hara?


At 06:11 AM 9/20/2021, Cantor Wolberg wrote:

> >>  He said, "That hechsher
> >> does not really care if the meat is kosher or not."
>
>Making a statement like that with no evidence, proof, documentation 
>or anything else is wrong.
>Anyone can make any accusation, but we have a system where there 
>must be proof.
>I think it is wrong to make an unsubstantiated claim.
The person who made this statement works for a national US kashrus 
organization and has been in many of the slaughter houses when the 
hechsher in question slaughters and has seen first hand what goes on. 
His claim is well substantiated by his personal observations.

YL




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Message: 2
From: cantorwolberg
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:06:06 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] No apologies, just a kiss


 From where did we get the *concept* of apology or forgiveness, among
people?

I would argue that we get the concept of apology or forgiveness from Vayikra 19:18.
V?ahavta l?rey-echa kamocha

As I would want others to forgive me, so, too, I should forgive others.
Regarding apologies, that is just plain derech eretz. 

I?m reminded of a pet peeve I have. When I am driving and let someone by as a courtesy,
I expect the person to wave a sign of thanks. When that doesn?t happen, it
irks me. I can?t imagine someone letting me go in front of them and not
waving a gesture of thanks.




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Message: 3
From: Akiva Miller
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 15:56:44 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] praying for one to die


.
R' Joel Rich asked:

> Praying for one in excruciating pain to die has some halachic
> underpinning. Others suggest one simply pray for HKB?H to do
> what?s best for the individual. Why isn?t this what we should
> pray for in any situation?

To me, this seems very much like other cases where one prays for some
specific thing, even though that thing might not be what is truly in his
best interests. Whatever answer works for you in those other situations,
perhaps it works here too.

Akiva Miller
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Message: 4
From: Joseph Kaplan
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 21:15:21 +0000
Subject:
[Avodah] praying for one to die


RJR asked: ?Praying for one in excruciating pain to die has some halachic
underpinning. Others suggest one simply pray for HKB"H to do what's best
for the individual. Why isn't this what we should pray for in any
situation??

Many years ago I asked a wise rabbi what one should pray for in such a
situation (or, similarly, what yo say to family members). His answer was to
ask God to show mercy to the sick individual. 

Joseph

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Message: 5
From: Micha Berger
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 11:43:50 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] praying for one to die



The case I usually hear cited is that of Rebbe (Kesuvos 104a). The
Rabbanan pray for his health, his maid prays that he die, and the RBSO
listens to her. RMF (IM CM 2:73(a)) uses it to conclude that there
are situations where praying for an easy death is preferable, and even
times when physical measures to extend life are inappropriate.

Another case in the gemara is R Yochanan (bottom of BM 84a). R Yochanan
had gone insane after realizing that words he said to Reish Laqish led to
his talmid, brother-in-law and chavrusah's petirah. The Rabbannan prayed
for Divine Rachamaim, venach nafshei. (Which is such an appropriate
idiom for death in this context.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 Take time,
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   be exact,
Author: Widen Your Tent      unclutter the mind.
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF          - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of Kelm



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Message: 6
From: Akiva Miller
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 10:26:09 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Modern hearing aids


The refrigerators, stoves and ovens of 50 years ago used fairly basic
systems, and the halachos of using them on Shabbos and Yom Tov were
correspondingly basic. But we have all seen that recent technology has
added many features to these devices, and their halachos have grown much
more complex.

I am now in the market for a hearing aid, and I'm learning a lot about
their current abilities. It seems to me that, like the refrigerators and
stoves, we need to investigate these new features, and we cannot
necessarily rely on 20th century teshuvos.

I *could* tell you some of my concerns, and if requested I'll be happy to
respond, but I think it would be a lot more efficient to see what the
mavens have already researched and written. So if anyone knows of anything
written in the past 20 years or so about hearing aids on Shabbos, please
let me know, either onlist or offlist.

(Incidentally, it is my feeling that a shomer mitzvos who uses a hearing
aid should be aware of the halachos of whether, or to what extent, the
hearing aid impacts on mitzvos that involve hearing (such as being yotzay
on something while listening via a hearing aid). I'm not focusing on that
right now, because it is hard for me to imagine that the new technologies
would be different from the older technologies in this regard. After all, a
replicated sound is still a replicated sound, regardless of how it was
produced. But if I'm wrong about that, please let me know.)

Thanks in advance,
Akiva Miller
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Message: 7
From: Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2021 14:23:19 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] Modern hearing aids


Please do, thanks!


> I *could* tell you some of my concerns, and if requested I'll be happy 
> to respond, but I think it would be a lot more efficient to see what 
> the mavens have already researched and written. So if anyone knows of 
> anything written in the past 20 years or so about hearing aids on 
> Shabbos, please let me know, either onlist or offlist.
>
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