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Volume 39: Number 64

Fri, 23 Jul 2021

• 1. Re: Coeducational (Joseph Kaplan)
• 2. Coeducational (Prof. Levine)
• 3. Angle of Deflection (Rich, Joel)
• 4. The_Daily_Rav_Yisroel_Salanter (Prof. Levine)
• 5. How to Kasher a Microwave (Prof. L. Levine)
• 6. May one eat a salad at non-kosher restaurants while on the road? (Prof. L. Levine)

[Please keep the conversation on the Torah issues involved. If you want
to discuss the pragmatics of O life, we have Areivim for that. There
are posts in this discussion that were rejected for drifting off topic.
-micha]

On Jul 19, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Prof. Levine <larry62...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Historically some day schools were coed, because it was the only way
> for them to remain viable. R. Avigdor Miller was most certainly not a
> proponent of coed classes, yet the Chelsea Hebrew Day School which he
> started was indeed coed. If not, he could never have gotten this day
> school started...

Just because you say they "were coed because it was the only way for
them to remain viable" doesn't necessarily make it accurate. It may be
accurate about R. Miller's day school. I don't know, though from what I
know about R. Miller it probably is. But that doesn't make it accurate
about HILI or Flatbush or Ramaz or Maimonides. And from what I've read,
it wasn't necessarily the case for all of those schools.

J

At 05:07 PM 7/19/2021, Joseph Kaplan wrote:
>In the ongoing discussion about teaching secular education, RZS 
>wrote to prove a point: ?But everyone will agree that that 
>[coeducation] is bediavad; surely nobody will argue that it's 
>lechatchila, let alone that it's actually desirable and should be 
>done even when there's no pressure to have it!?

>Many say that RYBS, in starting Maimonides, did not agree, and, in 
>fact, did argue it was a lechatchila and desirable in elementary and 
>high school. I understand that some say he too believed it was a 
>bedieved, but there?s lots of scholarship for the lechatchila side. 
>My purpose is not to convince anyone what the Rav believed and, 
>quite frankly, we?ll never know for sure. My only purpose is to note 
>that according to many serious people, Zev?s statements that 
>?everyone will agree? and ?no one will argue? might be a bit too broad.

Historically some day schools were coed, because it was the only way
for them to remain viable. R. Avigdor Miller was most certainly not
a proponent of coed classes, yet the Chelsea Hebrew Day School which
he started was indeed coed. If not, he could never have gotten this
day school started. There simply were not enough boys and girls
enrolled to make separate boys and girls classes possible. This
school folded in the 1960's.

IIRC the first few elementary school grades in Rabbi P. M. Teitz's
JEC were also coed. I do not know if they still are.

YL

R'Dr. C. Soloveitchik -Angle of Deflection
	To avoid a simplistic sociology of law, anyone claiming that a
	jurist's thought  has been influenced by outside forces or inner
	ambiguities must be able to point to some obvious flaw in the
	thinker's argument, measurable deflection from the expected line of
	reasoning that indicates that something impinged upon the mind of
	jurist and diverted his thought from its normal course.
I've thought this way but love the term! Have you seen such analysis in sh"ut literature?
Kt
Joel rich

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Beginning in 2006 I began sending out daily emails of what I termed 
the Daily RYS.  From the web site

This site contains links to information about how Rav Yisroel 
Salanter (Lipkin), ZT"L, conducted his life and dealt with others. 
Readers may find that some of his ideas, approaches and actions do 
not conform to what s/he sees in the Orthodox world today. Perhaps it 
is time for us to "adjust" those things that are prevalent in the 
Orthodox world that do not conform with Reb Yisroel's teachings.

All of these emails are at

<https://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/salanter/>https://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/salanter/

Even though it is now 2021, some may still find these emails of interest today.

YL





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From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis


Q. I am on vacation and would like to use the microwave in my hotel room.
One must assume that the microwave had previously been used with non-kosher
food. How should this microwave be kashered ?

A. The microwave oven should be cleaned well and left idle for 24 hours.
Therefore, if one is staying in the hotel for only one night, it cannot be
kashered. After 24 hours, a full cup of water should be heated in the
microwave for ten minutes allowing the water to overflow and the microwave
to fill with steam. Steam condensate should be apparent on all the
surfaces, otherwise the kashering is not effective. The cup should then be
moved to another location in the microwave and again the water should be
boiled for ten minutes. The above kashering is sufficient to kasher the
walls and ceiling of the microwave, but it is insufficient to kasher the
glass turntable, which is assumed to have had direct contact with
non-kosher food. Instead, the glass plate should be wrapped in two layers
of plastic wrap.

YL
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From today's OU Kosher Halacha  Yomis


Q. May one eat a salad at non-kosher restaurants while on the road?

A. Rav Belsky, zt?l ruled that one may absolutely not eat a salad at a non-kosher or vegan restaurant. Here are several of the reasons:

  1.  Maris Ayin ? eating in a non-kosher restaurant gives the impression that one is doing something forbidden.
  2.  The knives used to cut the salad may be soiled from non-Kosher use and that would make the salad non-kosher.
  3.  Even if the knives were clean, if they were used to cut ?sharp? or spicy vegetables, they will transfer the non-kosher taste from previous usage.
  4.  Many vegetables need to be checked for insect infestation in order to be considered kosher.

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