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Volume 38: Number 98

Wed, 18 Nov 2020

• 1. Pushing Off the Upsherin (Prof. Levine)
• 2. Disposing of Tzitzis (Prof. L. Levine)
• 3. Barely a Minyan in COVID Times (Prof. L. Levine)
• 4. Re: Barely a Minyan in COVID Times (Rich, Joel)
• 5. Re: Teaching your child a trade (Moshe Y. Gluck)

At 05:35 PM 11/16/2020, R Micha Berger wrote:

>On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 04:05:29PM +0000, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
> > I have to presume that this woman is not aware of the problems with
> > the practice of not cutting a boy's hair until age 3. From
> > https://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/rsrh/shorshei_hair_cutting.pdf
>
>Or, she knows her own posqim looked into the issue is an do not believe
>the problems are real, or do not rise to a level to prohibit upsherin.
>
>There a numerous posqim other than those of Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz,
>and this mother has no obligation to accept another's community's posqim
>and minhagim, just because you prefer them.

I think it is most likely that she simply followed what she saw 
others doing and did not even consider asking any posek..

Mimetic Judaism is still very much alive when it comes to being 
influenced by the practices of those around us.  Someone I know told 
me that he stopped putting on tefillin during Chol Moed because 
"Almost no one in shul puts them on."  (For the record, the shul in 
which he davens has two minyanim on Chol Moed, one in which the men 
wear tefillin and one in which they don't.  The tefillin minyan finds 
it increasingly difficult to get 10 to daven with it.)

There are many other examples of this.  People who never went to a 
bonfire on Lag B'Omer now go. People who davened Nusach Ashkenaz have 
switched to Sefard,  because this is what the nearest shul davens.

Look at yeshivishe chasunas.  They are virtually all the same.  Rav 
S. Schwab once wrote that one could snap out the Chosson and Kallah 
at one of them and snap in another Chosson and Kallah and there would 
be no noticeable difference.

Following the crowd is a powerful human draw.

YL

From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis


Q. I have many old pairs of tzitzis that my children no longer wear. Can I throw them away?

A. Shulchan Aruch (OC 21:1-2) writes that torn tzitzis strings and old
tzitzis garments may be thrown in the garbage. However, the garments and
strings may not be used in a degrading manner. For example, one may not use
the strings to tie up a garbage bag or use the garment as a rag to mop the
floor. The Rema is more strict and writes that the tzitzis strings should
not be thrown directly into the garbage, since this is a disgrace for the
tzitzis, but they may be allowed to end up in the garbage on their own.
Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 664:20) explains that one may place
them in a bag next to the garbage for the garbage men to collect. This is
permitted since the tzitzis were not thrown directly into the garbage.
Mishnah Berurah (21:13) writes that this only applies to the strings. The
garment itself may be thrown directly into the garbage even according to
the Rema. Although there is no obligation to bury the strings, Rema writes
that those who are extra careful to bury the
  strings, as is done with Sheimos (Torah writings), will merit a beracha.

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What happens when not all of the ten people that have gathered for the
minyan are davening now? Is it considered Tefilah b?Tzibbur?  One of the
outdoor minyanim in Far Rockaway will sometimes have people that have
already davened.  At times the speed of the minyan is not compatible with
what that mispallel is used to and he will opt to daven later.	Is that
considered full-fledged Tefilah b?Tzibbur?


The answer: It is a very good question and a fascinating halachic debate.


At the heart of the matter lies a controversially read Chayei Odom (Klal 19:1). Rabbi Avrohom Danziger (1748-1820) writes in his Chayei Odom:

?And the essence of Tefilah b?Tzibbur is the prayer of Shmoneh Esreh, that
is ?  ten adult people who will pray together. And not like the masses
think, that the essence of praying with ten is just so that one can hear
kaddish and kedusha and Barchu. Therefore, they are not careful to pray
together ? they just ensure that there are ten people in shul, and it is a
great error.?


TWO WAYS TO READ THE CHAYEI ODOM

Rav Moshe Feinstein zt?l (1895-1986) addressed this issue in the years 1951
and 1952 in a series of Teshuvos.   In Igros Moshe OC I #28, Rav Moshe
understands this Chayei Odom as actually saying that all ten must be
davening together and that if even one is not davening it is not
full-fledged Tfilah B?Tzibbur.

In the very next Teshuvah in the Igros Moshe is addressed to Rabbi
Mordechai Spielman (1923-2007). Rabbi Spielman argues that the Chayei Odom
could be read to indicate that the majority is davening.


Please see the above URL for more.  YL

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What happens when not all of the ten people that have gathered for the
minyan are davening now? Is it considered Tefilah b'Tzibbur?  One of the
outdoor minyanim in Far Rockaway will sometimes have people that have
already davened.  At times the speed of the minyan is not compatible with
what that mispallel is used to and he will opt to daven later.	Is that
considered full-fledged Tefilah b'Tzibbur?



The answer: It is a very good question and a fascinating halachic debate.


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KT
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> R' YL:
> The Agudah has such programs. For example, Daniel Soloff  is National
> Director at Professional Career Services, a division of Agudath Israel
> which functions in Lakewood. While not overtly supported by BMG, it is
> known that many who have learned in BMG get job skills through this
> organization.
>
As former BMG registrar and current Agudah employee, I can attest to how
great this organization is and how successful its graduates are. That said,
it speaks to the opposite of R' YL's point - if such programs exist (and
they do, as he said), why should one worry about learning a trade at a
younger age?

KT,
MYG
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