Volume 38: Number 96
Mon, 16 Nov 2020
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Message: 1
From: Micha Berger
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:33:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [Avodah] simple eruv question
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 09:13:58AM -0500, Sholom Simon via Avodah wrote:
> Just an FYI: on Eruvin 94, R Rosner made the following comment...
> What is the lomdus of pi tikra? Some rishonim say it is just a fancy form
> of gud achis; they put them together, even though the gemara doesn't put
> them together. Others say, they are different, that maybe it's just a din
> of havdalah. Meaning: you're not creating any type of structure by pi
> tikra, you're just creating enough to be mavdil the reshuyos, which would
> not be good enough, e.g., for a sukkah, where you need walls
I would have put it this way...
They're clearly different dinim... Pi tiqra is the edge of a roof, a
horizonal surface. Gud achis (and gud achis) are vertical surfaces. Pi
tiqra isn't a "form of" gud achis. The question is whether both dinim
are motivated by the same metahalachic mechanics...
I would think of the question this way:
Gud achis and gud asiq imply a mechitzah. Lekhol hadei'os. Take them
out of the machloqes.
Does pi tiqra also also imply a mechitzah? In which case all three are
different expressions of the same metahalkhah, doing the same thing
working the same way.
Or, is it only providing a well defined edge to the reshus under the roof?
("Havdalah", as R Rosner put it.) And thus different in kind and only
usable for dinim that are about reshuyos.
Sorry, it's too close to Shabbos for a research project to find which
rishonim say what. If someone else doesn't beat me to it, I will try
again after my commitments on Sunday. But I decided to post my current
thoughts now, in hopes someone can fill that part in without needing to
do research.
:-)BBii!
-Micha
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-Micha
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Message: 2
From: Rabbi Meir G. Rabi
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:09:59 +1100
Subject: [Avodah] the word VaYeAVek
R Joel proposed in the name of Rabbi Sacks AH, that the targum for
"vayeavek" (as in "vayeavek Ish Ito") [struggle] is vishtadel[try]
R Chaim Veloshiner RuAch Chaim suggests it emerges from the word 'dust' as
in a 'dust up' or 'raising the dust' when people wrestle they raise the
dust.
He therefore provides an astonishing interpretation that appears at first
glance to run quite contrary to the first impression of the Mishanh -
HeVey BeAfar RagLeiHem - implying the greatest form of humility and self
abnegation possible
R Chaim proposes it means that one wrestles with one's teachers - one must
raise the dust and challenge one's teacher.
Best,
Meir G. Rabi
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Message: 3
From: Rich, Joel
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 06:21:03 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] The Rav as Darshan
?Thanks to Ohr Publishing for these excerpts in Yiddish with English subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9DF-QIZ058
From 1953 Yahrzeit Shiur ? Historical Memory and Honoring Parents
0:00: Importance of Historical Memory
2:40: Modern man conquers space, the Jew conquers time
5:47: On the question of German reparations
10:23: The Kibud Av of Esau
22:24: The first story of Dama Ben Nesinah
31:54: The second story of Dama Ben Nesinah
A lot to think about
Kol tuv
Joel Rich
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Message: 4
From: Eli Turkel
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 07:35:01 +0200
Subject: [Avodah] Fwd: length of Persian era
I am listening to shiurim (TIM) by Rabbi Leibrag on the days of Ezra .
He points to another reason why the dating of Chazal is not reasonable.
According to
Olam Rabba Ezra comes to EY the year after the second Temple is finished,
Right before we have Zerubavel, Yeshoshia Cohen Gadol, Chagai, Zechariah
and Malachi .
So two or three years later Ezra comes (perhaps Nechamia before) and they
don't seem to have any interaction with all these major leaders.
Furthermore, Ezra is overwhelmed by the mixed marriages we don't seem to
have been an immediate problem even if descendants of Yehoshua Cohen Fadol
did intermarry,
This is in addition to the problems of outside history which seems to match
the names in Ezra and lists of high priests etc.
He gives one reason for ghazal that according to their dating Yetziat
Mizrayim is exactly 1000 years before the Seleucid calendar and so one who
counts in the Greek calendar is also using a Jewish calendar. More reasons
to come in later lectures
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Eli Turkel
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Message: 5
From: Rich, Joel
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 06:15:16 +0000
Subject: Re: [Avodah] the word VaYeAVek
Just for clarification-it was R? Yonasan Sacks Y?L of Passaic
KT
Joel Rich
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