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Volume 38: Number 20

Fri, 20 Mar 2020

• 1. hand shake (Rich, Joel)
• 2. meals (Rich, Joel)
• 3. Re: meals (Zev Sero)
• 4. House minyanim (Michael Poppers)
• 5. Limiting gathering numbers (Zev Sero)
• 6. 4 amos and Epidimeology (Micha Berger)
• 7. Re: Limiting gathering numbers (Rich, Joel)

Listened to a shiur where the magid shiur said that R'X used to advise job
interviewees to use the dead fish handshake, then later advised the iron
man handshake until he was told that each of those would not get you a job.
Now he advises a firm, quick business-like handshake. May I vent - I heard
R'X say these things over the years and always wondered who he had asked
about the real world. How many job opportunities were lost?? etc.??  How
much of a responsibility does a poseik have to determine "reality"?
(Another example - toveiling electronics)
KT
Joel Rich


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Question: How would (should?) the fact that we generally eat three meals
per day rather than two (as they did in Talmudic times) be reflected in
halachic if at all? (e.g. eating pre-mincha davening)
KT
Joel Rich


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On 18/3/20 3:04 am, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> Question: How would (should?) the fact that we generally eat three meals 
> per day rather than two (as they did in Talmudic times) be reflected in 
> halachic if at all? (e.g. eating pre-mincha davening)

I have a much bigger question.  The whole way we eat nowadays is so 
completely different from the model Chazal had in mind when they made 
hilchos birchos hanehenin that really major change is needed, but who 
can do it?  Their whole premise was that a meal consists of bread, and 
condiments to make the bread taste better.  Sometimes a grain porridge 
would substitute for the bread, but the essential roles were the same. 
To us, the bread, if it appears at all, is a condiment or entree to the 
real food.  We don't eat bread with meat, we eat meat with bread.  Even 
with grains, we regard them as a side dish, not as the main part of the 
course.  So in principle the entire basis of hil' bh"n should be reversed.

Next: Undoing the whole concept of 7 mashkim, and the principle that the 
juice of any fruit but grapes and olives is not a mashkeh.  Not just in 
hil' bh"n and shabbos, but also in hil' taharos. (At least in principle, 
since they're not practical halachos anyway.)

-- 
Zev Sero            Wishing everyone a kosher Purim and a happy Pesach
z...@sero.name       Seek Jerusalem's peace; may all who love you prosper

In Avodah V38n19, RAMiller noted:
> My understanding of Mechaber 55:13 and MB 55:48 is that a proper house
minyan has the Shliach Tzibur and nine other men in one single room. <
But see the latter half of BH 55:14/MB 55:50.
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There is a letter from Rabbi Akiva Eiger (Igeres Sofrim #29) about a 
cholera epidemic, in which he suggests that minyanim be limited to 15 
men each, davening in shifts starting at dawn, and each person be 
assigned a minyan that he is to attend.  He also suggested that the 
government be asked to station a policeman at the shul door to enforce 
the 15-man maximum.


-- 
Zev Sero            Wishing everyone a kosher Purim and a happy Pesach
z...@sero.name       Seek Jerusalem's peace; may all who love you prosper
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Is it "coincidence" or do you think it's common cause:

The recommended distance to be sure we don't breathe on each other is
given as 6 feet or 2 m, depending on what the masses being recommended
to think in.

Which "just happens to be" just around the 4 amos radius used to define
a person's space for the sake of davening or acquisitions.

(As an ammah is defined by to the Rambam, R Chaim Naeh, and the plaque
on the wall found at Chizqiyahu's water tunnel. Not the CI. Would tzadiq
gozer veE' meqayeim mean that people need to be be staying farther apart
in Bnei Braq to be safe?)

-Micha

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http://www.aishdas.org/asp    'Joy is nothing but Torah.'
Author: Widen Your Tent       'And whoever does more, he is praiseworthy.'"
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF                   - Rav Dovid Lifshitz zt"l

There is a letter from Rabbi Akiva Eiger (Igeres Sofrim #29) about a
cholera epidemic, in which he suggests that minyanim be limited to 15
men each, davening in shifts starting at dawn, and each person be
assigned a minyan that he is to attend.  He also suggested that the
government be asked to station a policeman at the shul door to enforce
the 15-man maximum.
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He also said (From R' Torcyner translation):
And after each prayer, evening and morning, they should recite Tehillim,
certain psalms which his honour should select, and then the text of Kel
rachum sh'mecha, Aneinu Hashem aneinu, Mi she'anah, and the Y'hi ratzon
after Tehillim, mentioning in it the king, may Gd protect him, and his
children and nobles and all who live in his land.

IMHO the last part is also about the realization that a united community
response  is required bderech hateva (not each subsegment deciding on its
own what to do)
KT

Joel Rich
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