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Volume 37: Number 92

Mon, 02 Dec 2019

• 1. Yitzchok and Rivka Made a Mistake in How the Educated Esav (Sholom Simon)
• 2. Thanksgiving Harmless Holiday or Chukos HaGoyim? (Prof. L. Levine)
• 3. Re: Thanksgiving Harmless Holiday or Chukos HaGoyim? (Rich, Joel)
• 4. Vayeitzei (Cantor Wolberg)
• 5. Bananas are Herbs (Micha Berger)

RZS wrote:

> On 26/11/19 6:15 pm, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote: 
> 
>> RSRH says that this is why Esav turned out the way he did.? When a 
>> friend recently told this to a well-known Rav in Flatbush,? the Rav 
>> began to yell at him saying that this is false.? I believe this Rav 
>> thinks that the Avos did not make mistakes.? However, RSRH, following 
>> the Ramban also says that Avraham made a mistake when he told Sarah to 
>> say she was his sister, and hence endangered her.
> 
> Nu, so RSRH made a mistake.

And Ramban, too? 

And, if so, RYL made a mistake, too -- the same one that R Noson Slifkin
made: "rishonim are allowed to say that, but we're not allowed to say
that" ;-) 

Chodesh Tov, everyone.  (And Hodu-Day) 

-- Sholom
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I recall being at an Agudah Convention many years ago and being served turkey on Thanksgiving Day!

From https://ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/6105

[https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/494286688/Ohr-Somayach-Logo-150sq_bigger.jpg]<;https://ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/6105>
Thanksgiving: Harmless Holiday or Chukos HaGoyim? ? Insights into Halacha ?
Ohr Somayach<https://ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/6105>
Biur HaGr?a (Yoreh Deah 178: end 7) and Gilyon Maharsha (ad loc. 1). The
Gr?a is bothered by the fact that the sugya in Sanhedrin seems to imply
differently than the views of the Maharik, Ran, and later, the Rema, that a
Chok Goyim, even one that is not a Chok Avodah Zarah should still be
prohibited. Others who ask this question and conclude tzarich iyun on the
Maharik?s shittah include ...
ohr.edu
From the article

On the other hand, other contemporary authorities disagree. Rav Yitzchok
Hutner[16]<https://ohr.edu/6105#_edn16> is
quoted as maintaining that the establishment of Thanksgiving as an annual
holiday that is based on the Christian calendar is, at the very least,
closely associated with Avodah Zarah and therefore prohibited. He explains
that its annual observance classifies it as a ?holiday? and celebrating
Gentile holidays is obviously not permitted. It is well known that Rav
Avigdor Miller was a strong proponent of this view as well, as
Thanksgiving?s origins belay that it was actually established as a
religious holiday.

See the above URL for much more.

YL
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On the other hand, other contemporary authorities disagree. Rav Yitzchok
Hutner[16]<https://ohr.edu/6105#_edn16> is
quoted as maintaining that the establishment of Thanksgiving as an annual
holiday that is based on the Christian calendar is, at the very least,
closely associated with Avodah Zarah and therefore prohibited. He explains
that its annual observance classifies it as a 'holiday' and celebrating
Gentile holidays is obviously not permitted. It is well known that Rav
Avigdor Miller was a strong proponent of this view as well, as
Thanksgiving's origins belay that it was actually established as a
religious holiday.
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But they did celebrate Mother's day? Veteran's day?
KT
Joel Rich
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I don't know if the following question has ever been asked.  Chapter 28,
verse 16 states: "Vayikatz Ya'akov mishnaso," And Jacob awoke from his
sleep..." Now my question is: if it says "Jacob awoke," then why does it
have to say "from his sleep?"  Of course it was from his sleep. All it had
to say was: "And Jacob awoke.?	

Further, if you look at verses 11 and 12, it says "...vayishkav bamakom
ha-hu. Vayachalom..." "...and he lay down in that place. And he dreamt...? 
Now why didn't it say: "...and he lay down in that place AND HE SLEPT," and
THEN "And he dreamt...?? 

So in the first instance it says Jacob awoke ?from his sleep? which is
redundant and the second example it says he lay down and dreamt. There is
should have included (he lay down) AND HE SLEPT and dreamt. You might say
that the fact that he dreamt indicated that of course he slept. However, if
that?s the case, then the Torah should have been consistent and the first
time should just have said ?And Jacob awoke?? 

I propose the following possible answer: In the first instance, when he had
the dream, it was really a prophetic vision and it wasn't an ordinary
sleep, hence, the word sleep was omitted.  However, after the dream, he
slipped into a regular sleep, and therefore it says he "awoke from his
sleep.?

This video explains the difference between woody plants (trees and
shrubs) and herbaceous plants. Bananas are among the talles herbs.
And just what is a bannana "tree"'s "trunk"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNMfTkDZlFQ

So, the scientific taxonomy and hilkhos berakhos agree on this one.
A banana is not peri eitz.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 Weeds are flowers too
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   once you get to know them.
Author: Widen Your Tent             - Eeyore ("Winnie-the-Pooh" by AA Milne)
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF


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