Volume 37: Number 81
Sun, 13 Oct 2019
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:41:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Why is it permitted to dance and clap on Simchas
At 04:18 PM 10/10/2019, you wrote:
>Which means you're okay with banning ST celebrations in Israel?
If I were in EY on SA I would not dance. (Truth of the matter is
that I do not dance on ST anymore, given my broken Patella.)
It does seem strange to me to have Yizkor and dancing on the same day.
If you read Ya'ari's sefer you will see that the ARI danced on
Motzoei SA and not on SA itself. He did not dance on SA itself in
EY. However, in a sefer that describes him dancing it says
mistakenly that he danced and encouraged others to do the same on the
night of SA. This is not true.
I note that in EY there are big celebrations on the night after SA
with music to accompany the dancing with the Torah.
YL
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From: Zev Sero
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:18:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Jewish burial practice
On 10/10/19 4:47 am, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> Any historical/halachic data on when and why Jewish burial practice
> changed from allowing the body to decay and then ?burying? the bones, to
> the current practice?
> GT
As far as I know the old practice was necessary because EY is a rocky
country and it's hard to dig graves in rock. In Bavel the practice
never existed, and in EY it changed when preserving all the arable land
for farming became less important.
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Message: 3
From: Simon Montagu
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 16:21:52 +0300
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Why is it permitted to dance and clap on Simchas
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 11:19 PM Micha Berger via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 03:59:14PM -0400, Prof. Levine wrote:
> > When I said that ST is D'Rabbonon I meant that the second day of SA is
> > D'Rabbonon.
>
> Which means you're okay with banning ST celebrations in Israel?
>
I believe that doing so would be a great Tikkun. The heter "lichvod
haTorah" doesn't convince me at all: all the dancing and singing and
drinking and shmoozing *while the Torah is being read* seem to me the
opposite of kavod. Ditto the practice of calling up everybody in the shul,
which is not even a halachic requirement.
I only wish I could find a minyan that agrees with me on these points.
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Message: 4
From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:03:10 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] Sukka on Shmini Atzeres?
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Subject: Sukka on Shmini Atzeres?
As the sun sets on Hoshana Rabba, effectively ending the holiday of Sukkos, an annual machlokes dawns regarding sitting in the Sukka on Shmini Atzeres
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an annual machlokes dawns regarding sitting in the Sukka on Shmini Atzeres.
Is it an obligation or recommendation? Prohibited or permitted? Why do some
go to great lengths to make sure to eat or even sleep in the Sukka on this
day, while others will make do with a simple Kiddush or even less? And why
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Message: 5
From: Rich, Joel
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:21:13 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] suffering/inui
I'm looking into whether increased inui/suffering is ever something to seek
(or at least not avoid). Besides yom kippur and other fasts are there
other possible applications? I've heard some say childbirth -any sources?
Any others?
Gt
Joel rich
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From: Mandel, Seth
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:01:43 +0000
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Sukka on Shmini Atzeres?
What Rabbi Spitz neglects to note is that every single one of the sources
that justify not eating in the sukka are chassidim or fellow travelers
(like the Arukh haShulhan). There is not a single posek before the advent
of chasidus who justifies such a custom, even though some families were
known not to eat some of their meals in the sukka.
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On October 13, 2019 at 9:03:19 AM EDT, Prof. L. Levine <llev...@stevens.edu> wrote:
________________________________
Subject: Sukka on Shmini Atzeres?
As the sun sets on Hoshana Rabba, effectively ending the holiday of Sukkos, an annual machlokes dawns regarding sitting in the Sukka on Shmini Atzeres
As the sun sets on Hoshana Rabba, effectively ending the holiday of Sukkos,
an annual machlokes dawns regarding sitting in the Sukka on Shmini Atzeres.
Is it an obligation or recommendation? Prohibited or permitted? Why do some
go to great lengths to make sure to eat or even sleep in the Sukka on this
day, while others will make do with a simple Kiddush or even less? And why
should we keep Yom Tov Sheini nowadays anyway??<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fsable.madmimi.com-252Fc-252F10500-253Fid-253D335246.1466.1.5c69685f3907ded73e250f4c683109d9-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cllevine-2540stevens.edu-257Cf15dcdbf44a142eca9c908d74f68fc0e-257C8d1a69ec03b54345ae21dad112f5fb4f-257C0-257C0-257C637065184649348940-26sdata-3DAwV-252BqLubFsVDi3-252BxeZVl01-252FlWMYfbT3taELTF2F-252FtLs-253D-26reserved-3D0&;d=DwMFAw&c=VTwaeXjOsAHot2hQQ0nozrBJwyviuCtydNuGwYGfYiI&r=e6XbAQdGwcl_5FMtQ-t1eA&m=qwgvcO2xB347A44MqtKVgLctTDz0SFy
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