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Volume 37: Number 53

Tue, 02 Jul 2019

• 1. Calling a Woman by Her First Name (Marty Bluke)
• 2. Paying your workers on time using electronic payments (Marty Bluke)
• 3. Re: Hallel and Tfillin (Simon Montagu)
• 4. Re: Concerning ourselves with the world at large (Moshe Y. Gluck)
• 5. Re: Paying your workers on time using electronic payments (Marty Bluke)
• 6. Re: Paying your workers on time using electronic payments (Zev Sero)

Adding the subject

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 4:55 PM Marty Bluke <marty.bl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just heard a recording from R' Asher Weiss where he discussed whether
> first names should be used in the workplace between men and women. He said
> that in the modern business culture using first names is not considered
> intimate or personal but is simply the way people talk. Therefore, he said
> that to expect frum people to not use first names is silly and
> counterproductive.
>
> This is a statement by a Rav who understands what is going in the world
> and applies the halacha to that reality.
>
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R' Akiva Miller wrote:
"It seems to me that many of the questions being raised about credit cards

are not really new at all, and are easily compared to older questions
regarding payment by check. For example, one of my seforim points to a
difference between the common practice in Israel and in the US: In Israel,
many merchants will accept a third-party check as payment, and therefore a
paycheck can be considered as cash (in terms of the employer's mitzva to
pay with cash). But in the US such checks are accepted far more rarely, and
so it is not considered cash. (Personally, I'm not sure if I *ever* "spent"
a paycheck in this manner, except for some supermarkets that allowed it
*IF* I would pre-register and fill out a few forms and such beforehand.)"

I think credit cards payments are different for 1 simple reason. When
you get a check you have a physical object on your hand that you can
take to the store and uses in lieu of cash. This is why the poskim
consider it cash. When you get a credit card payment you have nothing
tangible to take to the store. You may have money in the bank but you
have no tangible way of spending it. Now, if you have a debit card
that can be used to spend that money it might be different, but at
least in Israel, people don't have debit cards because credit cards
are sort of debit cards (not for now). So even though the money is in
the bank you can't directly spend that money.
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 5:02 PM Rich, Joel via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 1:38 AM Rich, Joel via Avodah <
> avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:
>
> Why do we take off tfillin before Hallel on Rosh Chodesh but before mussaf
> (for those who wear tfillin) on Chol Hamoed?
>
>
>
> I'm not sure who "we" are. I don't wear tefillin on Hol Hamoe`d, but I
> have always seen tefillin taken off before mussaf on Rosh Hodesh. Are you
> saying that those who wear tefillin on Hol Hamoe`d shake the lulav with
> their tefillin on?
>
> =================================
>
>
>
> Oops-I reversed them
>

Ha, well in that case I think I stumbled on the answer in my previous reply
-- one naturally removes the tefillin before netilat lulav because it would
be immensely incongruous to hold a lulav with tefillin on. Then on other
regalim one takes them off before Hallel for consistency.
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>
>
> >>>I only have one Makor for this idea, that we, as Jews, should concern
> ourselves with the well-being of the world at large.>>>
>

Continuing this thread from 2007, I have another mekor for this concept:

See Rabbeinu Yonah on Pirkei Avos 3:2 (in the Babli numbering): "This means
that a person should daven for the peace of the entire world and to be
pained about other people's suffering. And this is the way of the
righteous... ...that a person shouldn't pray for his own needs alone,
rather to daven for all people, that they should have peace. And when there
is peace in the government, there's peace in the world."

EDIT: I went back to R' MB's compilation of the sources mentioned in the
thread (here: http://www.aishdas.org/asp/universalism) and I found that R'
Doron Beckerman had already included this exact quote. I'm sending it
anyway, because it's a great passage, and because it was in yesterday's
Pirkei Avos.

KT,
MYG
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On Friday, June 28, 2019, Marty Bluke <marty.bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> R' Akiva Miller wrote:
> "It seems to me that many of the questions being raised about credit cards
> are not really new at all, and are easily compared to older questions
> regarding payment by check...

One more point regarding credit card payments. When you pay by credit card
you are not paying the worker. You are telling them to collect from the
credit card company who will pay them in a day or 2 at best. On the other
hand when you pay a worker by check you are giving him the equivalent of
cash right now which he can take to the store.

On 29/6/19 3:41 pm, Marty Bluke via Avodah wrote:
> One more point regarding credit card payments. When you pay by credit card
> you are not paying the worker. You are telling them to collect from the
> credit card company who will pay them in a day or 2 at best. On the other
> hand when you pay a worker by check you are giving him the equivalent of
> cash right now which he can take to the store.

He has to deposit it first and then withdraw the cash.  Unless he 
happens to know a store that takes third-party checks.

-- 
Zev Sero            A prosperous and healthy 5779 to all
z...@sero.name       Seek Jerusalem's peace; may all who love you prosper


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