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Volume 35: Number 101

Tue, 15 Aug 2017

• 1. publishing trends (Rich, Joel)
• 2. Maris Ayin, Milk, Blood and look alikes (Rabbi Meir G. Rabi)
• 3. Kosher Summer and Travel Videos (Professor L. Levine)
• 4. piskei rid (Rich, Joel)
• 5. Cohen demanding a sold aliya (Ben Waxman)
• 6. Kashrut agency will not slaughter controversial chicken (Professor L. Levine)
• 7. Re: Kashrut agency will not slaughter controversial chicken (Zalman Alpert)
• 8. Re: Kashrut agency will not slaughter controversial chicken (Micha Berger)
• 9. Re: Kashrut agency will not slaughter controversial chicken (Zev Sero)
• 10. Kiddush Shabbos Morning (Professor L. Levine)

I'd love to hear any analysis (or guesses) as to what are the percentages
of different types of sefarim (both Hebrew and English) being published in
the current era, how they differ from those in the past and, most
interestingly to me, what are the drivers for these trends?
KT
Joel Rich

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I fear that the Halachic posture of *Can you bring a source that says we
are allowed to?* although making sense from a narrow perspective, actually
invites Halachic disaster, and is quite incorrect. Halacha asserts all is
permitted unless it is prohibited.

Here is an example in which the Shach seems to assert that Maris Ayin is
limited to its narrow description and is not to be expanded according to
what makes sense to us.
BP, those that have been found within a Shechted cow, require Shechita once
they have walked about. Before they have walked about they do not require
Shechita.

However, Ben PeKuAh can also be created via natural breeding which goes on
forever.
So we can have a large herd of BP none of which are identifiable as BP.
The Mechaber Paskens without qualifying, *until they have walked about* -
that the naturally born BP all require Shechita. This would appear to
suggest that they require Shechita even before they have walked about. And
there is good reason to understand this to be the Halacha, after all in
this herd there is absolutely no way to identify them as BP whereas those
found in a Shechted mother are readily identified as being BP.

And I presume that in order to prevent this misunderstanding, the Shach
makes it clear that the decree that requires that they be Shechted applies
only after they have walked about.
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From

http://tinyurl.com/y8drmxm3


Kosher Summer and Travel Videos

As you prepare to fire up the grill for the summer or hit the road on
vacation, countless Kashrut issues arise: Can I cook on a public grill in a
park? Can I use a hotel room microwave? How should one pray on an airplane?
These commonly asked questions and many more will be answered in our 2017
Kosher summer and travel series.

Your esteemed guide through this halachic journey? It's none other than Rabbi Moshe Elefant, COO of OU Kosher. View the questions and answers below!

Can you cook on a BBQ that has previously been used for Non-Kosher
meat?<https://oukosh
er.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#bbq>
Can meat and fish be cooked on the same BBQ? <https://oukos
her.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#fish>
Can you eat cut fruit from an uncertified vendor?<https://ouko
sher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#fruit>
Can you buy coffee from a non-kosher establishment or a kiosk?<https://ouk
osher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#coffee>
May you purchase salad from an uncertified entity when traveling on the
road?<https://ouko
sher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#salad>
What products am I permitted to eat from an ice cream store?<https://o
ukosher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#icecream>
What are the Halachos in regards to prayer on an airplane?<https://o
ukosher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#airplane>
What are the Kashrut issues with airline meals? <http
s://oukosher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#airplanemeals>
Can in-room hotel microwaves be used without kashering?<https://
oukosher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#microwave>
Is it permissible to take antihistamines or other medication without
certification?<https:/
/oukosher.org/kosher-summer-travel-videos/#medication>


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The bar ilan database notes that its version is from Yad Ha-Rav Herzog.  Does anyone have a copy that can see who authored the footnotes?
KT
Joel Rich

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My Friday night beit knesset sells the Shabbat morning aliyot right 
after kabbalat Shabbat. In this beit knesset, none of the members are 
kohenim. Were a cohen to come to the beit knesset on Shabbat morning, 
would his right to the first aliya (the right not be embarrassed) over 
ride the sale? I would imagine no, a sale is a sale. Plus, why should 
the beit knesset lose money?

If the cohen says "I am willing to pay whatever the Yisrael paid" would 
he then have the right to claim the aliya?

If it matters, the beit knesset is Yeminite.

Ben

From

http://tinyurl.com/y7qnbz9h


Rabbi Shlomo Machpud, who heads the Yoreh Deah kashrut agency, says that he will not affix his Kashrut seal to braekel chicken.


See the above URL for more.


See also

http://tinyurl.com/yckl2bqj


 YL
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On Aug 14, 2017 11:50 AM, "Professor L. Levine" <llev...@stevens.edu> wrote:
> From
> http://tinyurl.com/y7qnbz9h

> Rabbi Shlomo Machpud, who heads the Yoreh Deah kashrut agency, says that
> he will not affix his Kashrut seal to braekel chicken.

Since when is rabbi M any sort if authority in The USA?

This whole thing reminds me of the one-a-generation broohaha over leghorn
chickens. Leghorns and braekels are chickens, much the way chihuahuas
are dogs, despire being rather unique looking dogs -- or chickens. Like
other chickens, they are Gallus gallus domesticus. Not even a remote
question of problems interbreeding.

Every 20 years or so someone notices that the leghorn chicken has two
"thumbs" pointing back, and two toes pointing forward, rather than the
usual 3-and-1 we expect for kosher birds. And yet, white leghorns make
beautifully white eggs, and so it is the breed most American chicken
eggs come from.

Actually, both it and the braekel chicken do indeed grab the perch in
a 2-and-2 grip, once comfortably on it, they go to the 3-and-1 of the
rest of the species.

And like the leghorn chicken, the braekel chicken is a source of
eggs in the US. However, not under the name "braekel". But America's
campine chicken, which has the same kind of foot, was breed from the
Kempishe Breakel.

The question was resolved quite a while ago, which is why we in the US
don't have to chase down which breed of chicken an egg came from.

So maybe the question is like that of the zebu, where the question was
raised, we were about to assur, and then it was found that in much
of the world zebu was already being eaten as cow. And in fact, MOST
tefillin made from gasos are zebu leather!

The breakel, which is a normal enough part of the general chicken gene
pool to get the usual taxonomical name -- Gallus gallus domesticus. But
there are two subspecies of cow: those without a hump between their
shoulder are Bos taurus taurus. Those that have such a hump, eg zebu,
are Bos taurus indicus.

But I thought the definition of "min" for animals is that they can
interbreed and produce fertile young, in which case how did any of these
questions get started? The mesorah for chickens must therefore include
oddballs of the min like leghorn, braekel and campine breeds, and that
for cows must include the full min, both subspecies.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             You will never "find" time for anything.
mi...@aishdas.org        If you want time, you must make it.
http://www.aishdas.org                     - Charles Buxton
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On 14/08/17 14:28, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> So maybe the question is like that of the zebu, where the question was
> raised, we were about to assur, 

Very few were about to asser, because the view that a mesorah is needed 
for mammals is very much a daas yochid.


> But I thought the definition of "min" for animals is that they can
> interbreed and produce fertile young

This is true for mammals, not necessarily for birds.

I'd put a different argument: Let's suppose that it *is* a new min, for 
which no mesorah can exist because it didn't exist until relatively 
recently.  For that very reason we can be 100% certain that it isn't one 
of the 24 listed species, and therefore doesn't need a mesorah.  And if 
it's *not* a new min then it's a chicken, and once again kosher (except 
according to Anan ben David y"sh).

-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis


Q. I often see people make Kiddush Shabbos day on a small shot glass of
schnapps. Isn't this an issue, since they are using less than a revi'is
(approximately 3.3 oz. - minimum amount for Kiddush)? (Subscriber's
question)


A. The Taz (OC 210:1) writes that if one drinks an entire shot glass of
schnapps in one sip, they are required to recite a bracha achrona (Borei
Nifashos). Although on other beverages one only recites a bracha achrona if
one drinks a full revi'is, Taz maintains that a shot glass of schnapps is
equivalent to a revi'is of other drinks. This is because schnapps is strong
and most people are unable to drink more than this amount in one sip. The
Machtzis HaShekel (272:6) points out that following the logic of the Taz,
one should be permitted to recite Kiddush Shabbos day on a shot glass of
schnapps.

Most poskim disagree with the Taz. The Magen Avrohom (190:4), Chayei Adam
(6:18), Mishnah Berurah (190:14), Aruch Hashulchan (483:3) all require a
revi'is of schnapps for Kiddush. However, if one cannot by themselves drink
a m'lo lugmav (half a revi'is, the mandatory minimum) of schnapps, they may
share with others.

Piskei Teshuvos (289:note 88) lists many Chasidishe Rebbes (including the
Chozeh from Lublin and the Yid HaKodesh) who held that the halacha follows
the Taz. They insisted on making Kiddush Shabbos morning on a shot glass of
schnapps to emphasize this point. Everyone should follow their minhag.


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