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Volume 35: Number 92

Tue, 18 Jul 2017

• 1. Re: Is it Assur to eat Neveilah? (Akiva Miller)
• 2. Re: The Ramchal's Beard (Akiva Miller)
• 3. Re: Correcting Baalei Kriah (Akiva Miller)
• 4. Re: Correcting Baalei Kriah (Rich, Joel)
• 5. Re: Correcting Baalei Kriah (Zev Sero)
• 6. A Lefty's Mezuzah (Micha Berger)
• 7. Re: A Lefty's Mezuzah (Zev Sero)
• 8. Re: Correcting Baalei Kriah (Lisa Liel)
• 9. Re: Correcting Baalei Kriah (Micha Berger)
• 10. Re: Correcting Baalei Kriah (Zev Sero)
• 11. The problem with OU DE (Micha Berger)

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R' Meir G Rabi asked:

> It cannot be Shechted to prevent it being a Neveilah, just
> like a horse for example, cannot be Shechted.

Why can't a horse be shechted? Is it missing the simanim?

Of course, it would still be assur to eat the horse because it is a
tamay species, but would that prevent one from doing a valid shechita?
(I vaguely recall a case where a choleh sheyesh bo sakana was
prescribed pork by his doctor, and the rav told him to shecht the
chazir.)

Akiva Miller

R' Micha Berger wrote:

> The Ramchal famously had the cleanshaven look.

I have no idea what you're referring to. Is there a famous painting of
him that is generally accepted as accurate?

Akiva Miller

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R' Moshe Yehuda Gluck asked:

> I believe ? and I may be wrong on this (in which case I?m sure
> I?ll be corrected!) ? that in most chassidish shuls, everyone
> reads the haftorah to themselves. In most litvishe shuls only
> the baal korei reads. And Nusach Sefard/non-chasidish shuls go
> 50/50.
>
> Does that mesh with everyone else?s experience?

I have no idea what you mean by "litvishe" in this context. Do you
mean Nusach Ashenaz, or Yeshivish, or In A Yeshiva, or something else?

Anyway, in the Nusach Ashkenaz shuls and yeshivos that I have
attended, virtually no one reads the haftara to himself, regardless of
whether the Reader is reading from a klaf, a printed Tanach, or a
Chumash. And those few who *do* read it to themselves are
(unfortunately) loud enough to make it difficult to hear the Reader.

In the Nusach Sefard shuls I've been to, there much more people
reading to themselves. In fact, the Reader often doesn't even attempt
to raise his voice so that others can hear him. But I've attended
Nusach Sefard shuls rarely enough that I cannot venture a guess about
the percentages.

R' Joel Rich wrote:

> I always assumed correcting when not from a klaf was more an
> educational thing.

What do you mean by "an educational thing"? Do you mean that mistakes
are not m'akev the mitzvah? Surely if a mistake changes the meaning of
the word, then the reading is invalid, no? Why would it be merely "an
educational thing"?

Akiva Miller

R' Joel Rich wrote:

> I always assumed correcting when not from a klaf was more an
> educational thing.

What do you mean by "an educational thing"? Do you mean that mistakes
are not m'akev the mitzvah? Surely if a mistake changes the meaning of
the word, then the reading is invalid, no? Why would it be merely "an
educational thing"?

Akiva Miller
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because I assumed that one was not being yotzeih with that reading but one's own
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On 14/07/17 17:26, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
> What do you mean by "an educational thing"? Do you mean that mistakes
> are not m'akev the mitzvah? Surely if a mistake changes the meaning of
> the word, then the reading is invalid, no? Why would it be merely "an
> educational thing"?

I don't believe there is a chiyuv for the haftarah to be read, let alone 
for anyone to hear it, therefore it can't be invalid.

There is a chiyuv for a tzibur to read the Torah, although not on any 
individual to hear it.  Even if ten men come into shul after krias 
hatorah they do not have to make it up, but if it was not read at all 
then the tzibur must make it up.  But with the haftarah even if it was 
not read at all they need not make it up; this shows that there is no 
chiyuv, and therefore nothing that can be said not to have been fulfilled.

Also, no matter how many mistake he makes, surely he's read at least 
three pesukim correctly, or at least one pasuk.

-- 
Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

Why doesn't anyone discuss whether "yemin" means the right side when the
baal habayis is a lefty hanging a mezuzah for his own hom?

Or to be less pretencious: *Does* anyone discuss if a lefty should hang his
mezuzos on the other side?

My wife is a righty and we use joint accounts. We are both listed as owners,
and both of our names were on the mortgage. Even if I were supposed to hang
my mezuzos on the left, are we shutefim in owning the house and therefore it
should follow the rightward norm?

I asked R' Gidon Rothstein, since it was his recent post on Torah Musings
that launched my wondering, and he felt that it would go by the assumption
that typical people coming in and out of the house are righty, and the
owner's handedness shouldn't matter.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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On 15/07/17 22:24, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> Why doesn't anyone discuss whether "yemin" means the right side when the
> baal habayis is a lefty hanging a mezuzah for his own hom?
> 
> Or to be less pretencious:*Does*  anyone discuss if a lefty should hang his
> mezuzos on the other side?

I wouldn't expect it, because I don't see any sevara to differentiate 
between houses based on who the owner is.   Mezuzah is (lich'orah) a 
chovas cheftza, and the house is not left-handed!

(See http://tinyurl.com/y9btfa9c , who cites R Chaim Brisker, Stencil #3)


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Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

On 7/16/2017 6:00 AM, Zev Sero via Avodah wrote:
> On 14/07/17 17:26, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
>> What do you mean by "an educational thing"? Do you mean that mistakes
>> are not m'akev the mitzvah? Surely if a mistake changes the meaning of
>> the word, then the reading is invalid, no? Why would it be merely "an
>> educational thing"?
>
> I don't believe there is a chiyuv for the haftarah to be read, let 
> alone for anyone to hear it, therefore it can't be invalid.

But we say a bracha before and after the haftarah.  Doesn't that imply 
that it's not just casual reading?

Lisa

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On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 10:20:17PM +0300, Lisa Liel via Avodah wrote:
: But we say a bracha before and after the haftarah.  Doesn't that
: imply that it's not just casual reading?

to strengthen the point, that "we" includes Sepharadim, who don't make
berakhos on minhagim.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

On 16/07/17 15:20, Lisa Liel wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe there is a chiyuv for the haftarah to be read, let 
>> alone for anyone to hear it, therefore it can't be invalid.
> 
> But we say a bracha before and after the haftarah.  Doesn't that imply 
> that it's not just casual reading?

It's not just casual reading, or even just a minhag; it's takanas 
chachamim that it be read, but there's no chiyuv that one (or even a 
tzibur) needs to be "yotze", unlike krias hatorah which is a chiyuv of 
the tzibur.  We can derive this from the fact that if the tzibur missed 
leining one week it must make it up the next week, while it does not 
make up a missed haftara.

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Zev Sero                May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
z...@sero.name           be a brilliant year for us all

On 7/17/2017 7:03 PM, Professor L. Levine via Areivim wrote:
> Nonetheless, the dairy component would be minimal, and from a
> Halachic perspective, the dairy residue is nullified (botel
> bishishim) and of no consequence. The bottom line of all this is
> that these cookies may be consumed after meat and poultry, but not
> simultaneously.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 09:30:25PM +0200, Ben Waxman via Areivim wrote:
: Why not? Bateil is bateil.

See Chullin 11b. Dagim that "alu" into a qe'ara of meat may be eaten
with milchig. But going on a plate of meat -- what does that mean? Does
it mean cooking? Ashkenazim hold, "'alu' -- aval lo nisbashlu".

It's na"t bar na"t.

The Tur, the YD 95, the BY's discussion of the Rivan and Tosafos,
Rama YD s' 2, the Shakh s"q 3, and the AhS s' 5,11-15 assert as much
halakhah lema'aseh.

The way you treat bitul, there would be no such thing as nosein ta'am.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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