Volume 33: Number 118
Tue, 01 Sep 2015
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: saul newman
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:40:40 -0700
Subject: [Avodah] shmitta kashrus
if there is a general assumption that one eats in another shomer shabbos'
house without going thru their pantry, does the same hold in a shmitta
year in israel where there are also multiple minhagim ?
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Message: 2
From: Zev Sero
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 17:08:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] shmitta kashrus
On 08/28/2015 02:40 PM, saul newman via Avodah wrote:
> if there is a general assumption that one eats in another shomer
> shabbos' house without going thru their pantry, does the same hold
> in a shmitta year in israel where there are also multiple minhagim ?
Lich'ora, since there is no consensus about shmita standards among
shomrei shabbos, one who has a stricter practise can't assume that
a randomly selected shomer shabbos is at least as strict as his.
Therefore, without ascertaining this he can't eat those things which
(according to his practise) are subject to shmita, but can eat those
things which are not. Most importantly, though, he *can* eat from
the other person's kelim, even if he *knows* that his shmita practices
are more lenient than his own; for this purpose he can rely on "stam
keilim einam benei yoman", even though normally one may only rely on
this bediavad. This is the famous kula of "keilim divnei rhenus".
--
Zev Sero I have a right to stand on my own defence, if you
z...@sero.name intend to commit felony...if a robber meets me in
the street and commands me to surrender my purse,
I have a right to kill him without asking questions
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Message: 3
From: Akiva Miller
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:56:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] hakarat hatov
R' Micha Berger:
<<< I do not even know of a term for requiring repaying a favor. Although
there is meishiv ra'ah tachas tovah (Mishlei 17:13, c.f. Bereishis 44:4,
Shemuel I 25:21, Yirmiyahu 18:20, Tehillim 35:12, 38:21, 109:5). Not an
obligation to repay as much as an issur against doing them wrong. >>>
"Mah ashiv laShem, kol tagmulohi alai?"
Akiva Miller
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Message: 4
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:32:11 -0400
Subject: [Avodah] Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz - Lu'ach 5776
See http://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/Ashkenaz/Lu'ach%20-%205776.pdf
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Message: 5
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 03:33:09 -0400
Subject: [Avodah] Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz - Lu'ach 5776
See http://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/Ashkenaz/Lu'ach%20-%205776.pdf
http://web.stevens.edu/golem/llevine/Ashkenaz/Lu'ach%20-%205776.pdf
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Message: 6
From: Micha Berger
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 21:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Avodah] Chitzonios and Tereifos
Something I noticed...
After the animal is shechted, a lung could be hollow, or full of liquid,
and it's still kosher. But if there is a pinhole in both membranes
around the lung, it's treif.
Similarly the brain -- if the outside is solid, the inside could be
rotten and the animal is still kosher.
These are laws of tereifah that we refuse to change recardless of whether
veterinary medicine disagrees about survivability. So I assume there is
some point being made about chiyus in general in all this.
However, I can't picture drawing the conclusion that chitzonius is
more important than penimius.
Maybe something more like "fake it till you make it" -- as long as you
keep the externals going, there is hope that the internals will fill in.
But I'm fishing for better suggestions.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Message: 7
From: Micha Berger
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 22:18:20 -0400
Subject: [Avodah] Factory Farming and Panicking the Animals
If the lung is tzemuqah (dried enough to be wrinkly like a raisin, but
not dry enough to be called yeveishah)... There is a halakhah leMoshe
miSinai that
if it was due to fright caused by a person, the animel is tereifah
if it's caused by HQBH (eg a lion attack), the animal is kosher.
(AhS YD 36:70)
If you do not know what the cause was, you check the lung -- man-made
rei'ah tzemuqah won't rehydrate when soaked in water for 24 hours.
But, this test is only used if the cause of the fright wasn't known
(se'if 74); the cause of the stress is the iqar, not the dryness.
Interesting is a comment at the end of se'if 70:
Therefore it is correct that shoechtim be careful not to shecht
one ba'al chai in front of another ba'al chai
so that the lungs not get wrinkly and will require checking, ae
will be explained.
Also, there is tza'r ba'alei chaim in it
ve'issur gamur hu
and so wrote a number of gedolei ha'achronim.
So I'm wondering, is our factory-style slaughter mutar?
Can you say that this speed is a tachlis that makes the tza'ar needful,
and thus mutar? Do people disagree with the AhS and his unnamed acharonim?
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Message: 8
From: Ben Waxman
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 05:52:42 +0200
Subject: Re: [Avodah] shmitta kashrus
I would just add that like any other kashrut issue, a lot depends on why
one has a particular practice. If one refuses to eat heter michira
vegetables (that is the real issue) because he feels the HM is simply
invalid, that is quite different than not using HM products because one
wants to be machmir (assuming of course that not relying on the HM is a
chumra).
Ben
On 8/28/2015 11:08 PM, Zev Sero via Avodah wrote:
> Lich'ora, since there is no consensus about shmita standards among
> shomrei shabbos, one who has a stricter practise can't assume that
> a randomly selected shomer shabbos is at least as strict as his.
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Message: 9
From: Micha Berger
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 13:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Avodah] Another Tereifos Observation
As I mentioned yesteday, any hole in the surface of the lung large enough
to leak air would make the animal tereifah.
What if the hole heals?
AhS YD 36:7 (and elsewhere) says that a qerum (membrane) she'alah
machmas makkah doesn't count.
In se'if 14 he learns peshat in Rashi (Yavamos 76a "eino qerum") that
there are two sevaros:
1- because this kind of closure isn't permanent
2- the closure is new. Akin to Chullin 68b "kivan shenitrefah, shuv
ein lah heter)
But in reality, the AhS says, "be'emes chad ta'amah hu" -- what makes
the closure temporary is that it is made from the liquids of the
makah. And therefore once the makah is healed, it has no cause.
RYME notes that this is bedavqa when a new membrane is closing the hole.
But if the side grow in until it closes, the lung is kosher. What about
"kivan shenitrefah"?
He writes
"keshehaheter hayah mukhan be'eis hatarfus,
lo chal alahh sheim tarfus ba'olam."
Continuing what I wrote yesterday, that there must be much lehislameid
from the halakhos of tereifos, given how we etched them in stone despite
many of the rules losing their veterinary explanations....
We are told to have bitachon that before sending troubles, "Ein HQBH
makeh es Yisrael ela im kein borei lahem refu'ah techilah" (Megillah 13b)
This rule of tereifos, that the chalos sheim "tereifah" doesn't apply
if the means by which the hole would close were pre-existing, seems to
imply something further. In a sense, the makah itself isn't real because
the refu'ah is already prepared.
It is not that the bad times cause the good ones. Because they aren't
permanent enough to be the root of permanent solutions. Rather, it is
because it's all one process, the bad times being a bump in a road that
from the moment you strarted traveling it leads to good.
Or as Nachum ish Gam Zu said, "gam lu LEtovah" (emphasis mine), not
"gam zu tovah". What redeems the bad times is that the route from them
to tov is there before they even begin.
----
Language note: I noticed that rei'ah means "lungs", even though the term
is in the singular and the translation is in the plural. There is no
term of art for a single lung -- the main body of each lung is an omah
and the lobes are onos or in Hebrew "aznayim".
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
Off-topic PS: I am seriously finding the beginning of YD turning me off
to meat.
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mi...@aishdas.org "How would I decide if it were Ne'ilah now,
http://www.aishdas.org at the closing moments of Yom Kippur?"
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Message: 10
From: Akiva Blum
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 19:55:32 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] Fwd: Kosher Switch, Grama and Rav Osher Weiss
http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/8-15-15-headlines/
where Rav Osher Weiss explains in detail his approach to grama, and
electricity on Shabbos in general.
Akiva
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