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Volume 30: Number 48

Wed, 23 May 2012

• 1. L?shem Yichud (Joel Schnur)
• 2. Re: scraping/ finger.... (Harvey Benton)
• 3. YU prenup (Saul.Z.New...@kp.org)
• 4. Re: torture in halacha??? (David Riceman)
• 5. Re: Yerushalayim Banerot (T6...@aol.com)
• 6. Re: YU prenup (Micha Berger)
• 7. why??? (Harvey Benton)
• 8. Re: Spending Maser Money on a Retreat (kennethgmil...@juno.com)
• 9. Kamatz (Gals...@aol.com)
• 10. Re: Kamatz (Micha Berger)
• 11. Re: L?shem Yichud (Moshe Y. Gluck)
• 12. What's special about shevet Shimon? (shalomy...@comcast.net)
• 13. Gishmaychem (shalomy...@comcast.net)
• 14. Re: Gishmaychem (Liron Kopinsky)

For summary of this polemic see: Bleich J.D. Bircas Hachammah 3rd ed 2009,
pp144-149 where he basically states that the Chassidim say it, the Misnagdim
don't.

 

The Gra held that a bracha was pronounced with Hashem Elokainu always being
said together WITHOUT  a pause and this was the equivalent of L'shem Yichud

 

 

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wondering if vertical
versus horizontal
makesa difference 
(eg, minhagei one
versus the? other....)

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hb
















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 From: Yosef Skolnick <yskoln...@gmail.com>
To: Harvey Benton <harvw...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Avodah] scraping/ finger....
 

I don't think they touch the parchment....
Yosef Skolnick
516-690-SKOL
https://sites.google.com/site/yskolnick/




On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Harvey Benton <harvw...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>To: Harvey Benton <harvw...@yahoo.com>; The Avodah Torah Discussion Group <avo...@lists.aishdas.org> 
>Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [Avodah] why finger
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>On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:43:12PM -0700, Harvey Benton wrote:
>: why do we hold up a finger (pinky amnong some congregations
>: when the torah is lifted???
>: and if we are left handed do we switch hands?? 
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>The "zos" of "vezos haTorah" implies pointing. Some hold that pointing
>with an index finger is insulting, so, the pinky. OTOH, the Siddur Vilna
>says (quoting a few meqoros including Seifer haChassidim) one should
>bedavqa use the index finger, since that's the one called "etzba". As
>in anthropomorphications about HQBH doing things with His "Etzba" --
>including the writing of the luchos.
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>I'm lefty, and I do use my left hand, since that's how I point to things.
>But not because I thought about it, just because that's what I naturally
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>Tir'u baTov!
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>http://www.aishdas.org?  Gevurah sheb'Yesod: When does reliability
>Fax: (270) 514-1507? ? ? ? ? ? ?  require one to be strict with another?
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http://download.yutorah.org/2012/1053/Shavuot_To-Go_-_5772_prenup.pdf

the YU    rabbonim sign onto  idea  of  prenup....
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RMB:

<<But that only works if the person actually is capable of hearing your 
reason and "leisovei daateih uleqabeil mei'avah asher yeia'ara lo". I 
don't see how his exception to the qv"ch's reasoning would apply to 
torture.>>

I don't know how reasonable you believe it to be, but a similar case 
occurs near the end of the second act of Patience (right before the 
reprise of A Most Intense Young Man - - if you have access to The 
Complete Annotated Gilbert & Sullivan it's on pp 343-344).

David Riceman

 

From: Simon Montagu <simon.mont...@gmail.com>

My  brother-in-law said the following at a simcha yesterday evening:
Zephania  1:12 says "ahapes et Yerushalaim banerot", and the gematria
of "nerot" is  equal to the number of times in which Jerusalem is
mentioned in the  Bible.

A cute vort if you like that kind of thing, and I am probably  spoiling
it by checking up, but it doesn't seem to fit the  facts.

...

Does anybody have more info, especially some kvetch to  make the
gematria fit the total?




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One kvetch that works for all gematrios is to just use approximate numbers  
and not try too hard to make them come out exactly.  Nerot = 656 and  
Yerushalayim appears 669 times?  Close enough!  Quick  mental arithmetic without 
benefit of calculators works best for  gematrios.  Disclaimer:  I am not 
really a fan of gematrios, most of  them seem forced or trivial to me.  
However, I will say that the Gra  seems to have had an amazing knack for noticing 
clever gematrios that  really do work well -- it's as if he saw everything he 
read both verbally  and mathematically, simultanously.
 

--Toby  Katz
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Romney -- good  values, good family, good  hair


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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:36:23AM -0700, Saul.Z.New...@kp.org wrote:
: http://download.yutorah.org/2012/1053/Shavuot_To-Go_-_5772_prenup.pdf
: the YU    rabbonim sign onto  idea  of  prenup....

This is nearly but not 100% accurate.

See the articles linked to in section III of JLaw's forms page
<http://www.jlaw.com/Forms>.

The prenup in question was written by R' Willig (the RCA's beis din's
segan) and R' Marc Stern (making sure it was a meaningful contract
according to civil law). The prenup is backed by the RCA, and in fact
is aimed at requiring the couple to agree to Beth Din of the USA (RCA's
beis din) arbitration. Although it's trivial to make a parallel doc
for another beis din.

So it's not that the YU rashei yeshiva just now signed on to the idea
of a prenup. They signed a public appeal that more people use a shtar
most if not all of them already backed.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             Today is the 45th day, which is
mi...@aishdas.org        6 weeks and 3 days in/toward the omer.
http://www.aishdas.org   Tifferes sheb'Malchus: What is the beauty of
Fax: (270) 514-1507               unity (on all levels of relationship)?

a. par helem davar???
why would Hashem make a whole Eida {of the best} talmidei chachamim
forget something???

b. was anyone "wrongly convicted as far as we know, because of a
"forgotten law???

hb

R' Joel Rich cited:
> "Shavuos At Sinai...Retreats" with Rabbi Orlowek and Rabbi
> Kelemen in Warrensberg Limited Scholarships are available.
> Please call 973.471.6351 to inquire for details on your rate
> based on your housing option You can use massur money for
> some of payment http://mim.io/519f92 for housing 
 
and then asked:
> Any idea why this would be eligible for maser money? (perhaps
> net profit over cost which is used to fund other programs? Net
> difference in cost from a private getaway in a similar location?)

The answer to your question is given explicitly in that link.

http://mim.io/519f92 says:
> Maaser Deduction: Proceeds help fund Sinai Retreats which is a
> registered Jewish Outreah 501(c)(3). Thus, depending on the
> services from which you benefit, a significant portion of your
> attendance costs may be counted as maaser & a tax deduction.

In other words, the first of the two guesses.

Akiva Miller

How American Ashkenazim prononce kamatz.
- Do they pronouce a kamatz the same way that I (Israeli) promounce Cholam?
- If so, will they pronounce Kamatz Katan and Kamatz gadol the same way?
 
Thanks
 
galsaba
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:13:56PM -0400, Gals...@aol.com wrote:
: How American Ashkenazim prononce kamatz.
: - Do they pronouce a kamatz the same way that I (Israeli) promounce Cholam?

More like the way we Americans would say the "u" in "nut".

: - If so, will they pronounce Kamatz Katan and Kamatz gadol the same way?

Some (those who remember their diqduq classes) pronounce a qamatz
qatan like an Israeli cholam, but more common is to pronounce it
like an American cholam ("o" in "note"). At least, in the words "kol"
(meaning they pronounce it the same whether it's spelled with a cholam
or a qamatz), "Mordechai", and any others they know are qatan (rare).

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             Today is the 45th day, which is
mi...@aishdas.org        6 weeks and 3 days in/toward the omer.
http://www.aishdas.org   Tifferes sheb'Malchus: What is the beauty of
Fax: (270) 514-1507               unity (on all levels of relationship)?

I thought I once shared this story online, but I can't find it in my email
archives. The Noda B'Yehuda, in his famous teshuva against reciting the
"l'shem Yichud" says that this is "v'chasidim yikashlu bam" (playing on the
pasuk that talks about posh'im). Supposedly, a chassidish printer, years
later, reprinted the Noda B'Yehuda, and changed the word v'chasidim back to
the original words of the pasuk, u'posh'im. He came to his Rebbe to tell him
what he did, and the Rebbe didn't like it; he said, "B'shlomah the Nodah
B'Yehuda, took Posh'im and made them Chasidim. You are taking Chasidim and
making them Posh'im!" 

Don't know if the story is true, but it's a good story. :-)

 

KT,

MYG

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In Bamidbar, we get the count of all the tribes. The language for all 12 is 
identical: "tolodosam, l'mishpchosam, l'vays avosam b'mispar..." except for 
Shimon: " "tolodosam, l'mishpchosam, l'vays avosam PECUDAYV b'mispar..." (1:22) 

What's special about Shimon? 
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In the beginning of Parasha Behuchosai (26:4): "V'natati gishmaychem b'itam..." 

What does it mean to say "YOUR rain"? We can't find anyone who comments on 
this, nor any other use of "gishmaychem" anywhere in Tanach. 

Thoughts? 
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On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <shalomy...@comcast.net> wrote:

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> In the beginning of Parasha Behuchosai (26:4): "V'natati gishmaychem
> b'itam..."
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> What does it mean to say "YOUR rain"?  We can't find anyone who comments on
> this, nor any other use of "gishmaychem" anywhere in Tanach.
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> Thoughts?
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No answer but it is interesting to contrast that with "Im Bechukotai" MY
chukim.

Kol Tuv,
-- 
Liron Kopinsky
liron.kopin...@gmail.com
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