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Volume 14 : Number 010

Sunday, October 10 2004

• Re: "Chazeres"
• Re: Kah Keli
• Re: YHR - Duchenen
• Re: Researchers Track Humans to Common Ancestor
• Re: Kah Keli
• Re: Sefer Zochiyos

R' SBA asked:
> Chazeres is horseradish??

It is 'prickly lettuce' in Hebrew, and 'horseradish' in Israeli (Abazit,
Modern Hebrew, Ivrit). At the seder, horseradish may be used for chazeres,
but historically, this meant the bitter leaves, not the biting hot root
served nowadays. (Ever seen anybody eat a kezayes of it? I haven't.)

Gut moued,
ELPh Minden
[ 8~)>

In Avodah V14 #9, GDubin asked:
> In this piyut, the list of korbanos is different than the corresponding
> list in Vayikra, specifically in that shelamim is last in Chumash but
> next to last in Kah Keli; Todah is including in KK but not in Chumash.
> Anyone have an explanation? <

ArtScroll (machzor for Chag haSukkos) lists an explanation which I recall
not liking re the latter part of your question (the korban todah) but
which may help answer the former part: as best as I imperfectly remember,
the miluim is listed last because we're praying to once again actually
be "yo-shvai Vaisecha" and it will be brought once and only once while
consecrating Bayis Shlishi, may we see it speedily and personally.
As an answer for the latter part of your question, I would point you
to the last page of http://www.aishdas.org/mesukim/5764/vayeishev.pdf:
of all individual offerings which were brought bizman avosainu, we will
bring only the Todah in the 3rd BhM, so it deserves primary mention.

Chag Someach/A gut Yontef to all! from
Michael Poppers * Elizabeth, NJ

In Avodah V14 #9, SBAbeles noted:
> difficulty in understanding the request we make saying the Yehi Rotzon 
> during Duchenen:
> "Vesitneinu ...lechein...ulerachamim b'einecho uve'einei kol ro'einu...
> keshem shenosato es Yosef tzadikecho besho'oh shehilbisho oviv kesones
> passim...." -- aderaba, the Kesones Paassim was a major cause for all his 
> tsores which eventually led him to being sold as a slave in Egypt..!
...
> This YT another part of that tefileh made me think.  We ask "Vesitein li 
> ulechol nafshos beisi mezonoseinu uparnososeinu bereivach velo 
> betzimtuzm...mitachas yodcho harechovo kesheim shenosato pissas lechem 
> le'echol uveged lilvosh leYaakov Ovinu..." -- That's it? 
> That's all we are asking for? A piece of bread? And where does it say that 
> Hashem gave Yaakov Ovinu 'pissas lechem'?

Would it help to point out that this Y'hi Ratzon is apparently working
off the letters of Birchas Kohanim in an anagrammatic fashion (frankly,
I never tried matching 'em up against words like "k'sones" and don't
have the time right now, but I assume 'samech's are being used in the
YR in place of the two 'sin's [and maybe even the 3rd 'sin' in "v'somu"
-- not sure if that last posuq plays any part in the anagram])?

Chag Someach/A gut Yontef to all! from
Michael Poppers * Elizabeth, NJ

R' Dr Josh Backon <BACKON@vms.HUJI.AC.IL> cited Bernard Kouchel
<koosh@worldnet.att.net>:
> Researchers Track Humans to Common Ancestor
> Science writer Steve Olson, in the current issue of the journal 'Nature',
> writes that a new statistical model shows that all human beings have a
> common ancestor, who lived just 3,500 years ago.
> Read more:
> http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040927/full/040927-10.html

Noach! We've found you! I got alot of email about this model and Adam,
just clearing that up.

Seriously, it's too early to bank on this thing being real.

However, 3,500 years ago was 2,265 AM. Our ancestors were in the midbar.
Roughly 1,200 years after Noach -- 35% off. Perhaps it manages to show
that the man called Av haMon Goyim managed to become everyone's common
ancestor, if not the head of their clan.

-mi

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On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:58:08 -0400 MPoppers@kayescholer.com writes:
> ArtScroll (machzor for Chag haSukkos) lists an explanation which I
> recall not liking re the latter part of your question (the korban todah)
> but which may help answer the former part: as best as I imperfectly
> remember, the miluim is listed last because we're praying to once again
> actually be "yo-shvai Vaisecha" and it will be brought once and only once
> while consecrating Bayis Shlishi, may we see it speedily and personally.

Don't recall which machzor I saw it in (not Artscroll) but the perush
there defined miluim as the minchas chinuch that each cohen brought when
starting avodah, so at least according to that peshat it's more than
once.

Gershon
gershon.dubin@juno.com

From: "Avraham Bronstein" <avraham@thebronsteins.com>
> Is it also possible that "sefer zechiyos" means "the book of the
> innocents," based on zakhai being opposed to chayuv in a court context?

Possibly [I am no expert on language]. But the question remains - how
can one ask to be inscribed in such a book - if he is not innocent?
[And if he is - he'll get listed anyway...]

SBA

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