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Volume 04 : Number 281
Wednesday, January 12 2000
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:22:57 EST
From: Tobrr111@aol.com
Subject: Re: Avodah for Women
The original post asked for ways that women can come close to Hashem, in
other words perform Avodat Hashem like a man. However, the original post had
errors with regards to what a women is chayiv, and for some reason rejected
the mitsvos that all agree are geared to her, and therefore felt the need to
look towards such activities as sweeping the floor to fulfill her avodat
hashem. What follows are comments on the original post.
1) CHINUCH - For some reason the original post rejected chinuch of children
as a path of Avodat Hashem because she was told that women are not chayiv in
chinuch. THIS IS INCORRECT. First of all, whether or not women are
technically chayiv in chinuch, it is a clear gemorah in berachos "noshim
b'mai zachyon..." that women get sechar for encouraging and enabling their
husbands to learn Torah. However, it is much more than that. Many great
rishonim and achronim hold that women are chayiv in chinuch. They include the
following -- Terumas Hadeshen siman# 94, R. Akiva eiger gilyon hashas Sukah
2b, Rashi Chagiga 2a, Rashba Yevamos 114a, Meiri Nazir 29a, Ritvah Yevamos
113a. There are many more but "atu ki ruchla..." Yes, there are shitos who
disagree(among them the Chinuch # 419 who says that even though she isnt
chayiv she gets sechar if she does), but since numerous great Rishonim and
Achronim hold that they are chayiv I see no reason to look further than
Chinuch for her Avodat Hashem.
2) Pru Urevu - while it is true that they are not chayiv, many shitos hold
they are chayiv in the rabbinic mitzvah of "SHEVES" so fulfilment should come
from having children bec. of this mitzvah. Also, Meshech Chochma says that
Hashem did not want to obligate women in the mitsva of peru urevu bec. of the
danger involved, but relied on womens natural love for children.
Being that this is getting too long I will leave my additional comments with
regard to chalah, nidah, tevilah, and hadlokas haner for another time.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:44:16 -0500
From: "Stein, Aryeh E." <aes@ll-f.com>
Subject: RE: Modern O
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I guess we have to assume that R' Shechter performed a cost/benefit analysis
and decided that the mitzva of m'sameach chason v'kalloh does not outweigh
the problems associates with attending a mixed seating wedding meal. (Of
course, this assumes that R' Shechter agrees with RYBS' view on m'sameach
chason v'kalloh....)
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:33:15 -0600
From: Steve Katz <katzco@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Modern O
Aryeh Stein wrote:
"I find this fact interesting in that I have heard (and I have witnessed
on one occasion) that R' Aaron Shechter
won't stay for the meal at a wedding if there is mixed seating. (He'll
come for the chupa but will leave before the
seuda.) Of course, there is a halachic distinction between an annual
dinner and a wedding seuda, but..."
Didn't the Rov zt'l say that to be someach chason v'kalloh one had to
stay for bentching?
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:51:01 EST
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject: Re: How is Rav Soleveitchik ztzl considered modern Orthodox?
In a message dated 1/12/00 7:11:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,
hmaryles@yahoo.com writes:
> On the other side of the coin I have heard that
> Chasidic poskim are more Mekil than Misnagdic Poskim
> when it comes to paskening hilchos Nidah (Ksomos).
I am not aware of such, any facts and figures? In addition Mah Inyan Shmita
Eitzel Har Sinai, excepting Daas Hameikil in Ksomim means that one is
permitted to say "Gira Beino Tsitnah?".
> They also have something called a Mitzvah Tanz where
> the Chasan and Kallah hold hands while they dance,
> after the wedding is over and mostly only family
> members remain which seems a little ridiculous
> considering the lengths they go to to separate men and
> women during the more public wedding and Seudah.
>
While there are many who do it, there are many Chssidim that don't Naharo
Naharo Upashto (there is much written on this), and again Chosson Vkaloh
(Tehora) is not at all like Gira Beino Tsitnah which one should be concerned
with at a Simcha as the Gemara says in Sukkah.
Kol Tuv
Yitzchok Zirkind
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 07:52:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Harry Maryles <hmaryles@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Avodah V4 #279-talking in shul
--- JoshHoff@aol.com wrote:
> I think that the Rov zt'l says in Shiurim L'Zechr
> Abba Mari that the beis
> haknesses is the place where God lives, and I see
> nothing wrong with viewing
> it in that way.After all, it is a 'mikdash me'at.'
> About a month and a half
> ago I was at an Orthodox(not MO) shul on Shabbos and
> the gabai at the foot of
> the bimah was very openly discussing- during the
> haftarah if I recall
> correctly- some business venture, or stock tip, with
> one or two other
> people.Someone came over and complained,and he said
> half -jokingly, half
> -seriously-and in Yidddish no less- that it's a
> shul, not a cemetery.
> A cavalier attitude to talking in shul very easily
> leads to this kind of
> situation.Besides constituting sicah beteilah in
> shul and disturbing others'
> concentration on the haftarah or whatever other part
> of davening is involved,
> it was also a very public violation of dabeir davar.
> This is not the only
> shul where I have heard business deals being
> discussed on Shabbos during
> davening. Why shouldn't there be an insistence on
> decorum in shul? Ignoring
> it leads to the circus-like situation I witnessed
> that Shabbos.
Was it a Chasidshe Shtiebel? They are notorious for
this sort of behavior and they are also an attraction
for talkers. This doesn't mean that there aren't
shuls other that aren't Shtieblach that don't have a
lot of talking. In fact, many of the Orthodox shuls do
have an overly abundant amount of conversation going
on, whetehr MO or RW. This is one of the reasons that
I like a Yeshiva minyan because there is less of it
there. I, also, freely admit that I have been caught
talking a time or two in shul and not Divrei Torah
necessarily. This does not make it right, it is just
a fact.
I'm not saying talking during Davening is Mutar. It
isn't. But I'd be willing to bet that most of us have
transgressed this Issur at one time or another. (Of
course you are also correct about the "dabeir davar"
issue but that is not what we are talking about.)
This does not make us bad people. It just makes us
more interesting people, who need to do Teshuva and
try not to talk in shul during Davening anymore. The
Shul is a Mikdash Me'at. But, I think it would be
incorrect to characterize it as G-ds home, except in
the sense that this is where we congregate in order to
communicate with G-d. But of course we can pray
publicly with a minyan almost anywhere: a hotel lobby,
a living room, an airport, or even an airplane.
If the Rov zt'l says in Shiurim L'Zechr Abba Mari that
the beis haknesses is the place where God lives, I
wonder what that means exactly? How would that
compare to the Makom HaMikdash?
At any rate my original point was to make a
distinction between the type of silence experienced in
non-O shuls and O shuls.
HM
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:54:26 -0600
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: Haredim and Internet
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 04:29:11PM +0200, Shlomo Godick wrote:
: If anything, I think we have to adapt the Internet to Judaism, not
: the other way around.
Baruch shekivanta! The Gerer Rebbe shlit"a refused to sign the ban arguing
that the internet had far to much value to just throw it away. He did,
however, require the use of "machshirim".
-mi
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micha@aishdas.org A"H
http://www.aishdas.org Pisachim 98a
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:02:44 -0500
From: richard_wolpoe@ibi.com
Subject: Re[2]: Modern O
Question: how do we know for SURE that ther aren't other factors in R. Arron
Shechter's Cheshbon? Is it ok to assueme that hter ar not otehr pressing
matters invovled in this cheshbon? IOW have we definitely identified the entire
universe of factor's here?
Rich Wolpoe
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I guess we have to assume that R' Shechter performed a cost/benefit analysis
and decided that the mitzva of m'sameach chason v'kalloh does not outweigh
the problems associates with attending a mixed seating wedding meal. (Of
course, this assumes that R' Shechter agrees with RYBS' view on m'sameach
chason v'kalloh....)
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:33:15 -0600
From: Steve Katz <katzco@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Modern O
Aryeh Stein wrote:
"I find this fact interesting in that I have heard (and I have witnessed
on one occasion) that R' Aaron Shechter
won't stay for the meal at a wedding if there is mixed seating. (He'll
come for the chupa but will leave before the
seuda.) Of course, there is a halachic distinction between an annual
dinner and a wedding seuda, but..."
Didn't the Rov zt'l say that to be someach chason v'kalloh one had to
stay for bentching?
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:11:04 -0500
From: richard_wolpoe@ibi.com
Subject: Re[2]: Haredim and Internet
While drafting the following, Micha's Post came thru:
>>Baruch shekivanta! The Gerer Rebbe shlit"a refused to sign the ban arguing
that the internet had far to much value to just throw it away. He did, however,
require the use of "machshirim".
-mi<<
Hypothesis: one can engage in "borderline" activities if one has a solid
menmonic to remind oenself, to make onself aware, of who they are where they
are, etc.
Some examples {that I can expand upon in another post} include eating with
goyim, eating on the same table both milk and meat, an aveil working at a
chasunah. Etc. In each case, there is a halacho or hanhogo used to remined one
(sometimes arbitrarily) of what is going on lest one go stray.
Based upon this "mindfulness" approach here geos a proposal:
Let's created a kosher ISP, that flashed little diveri torah or reminders such
as shovisi or other mnemonics, that might keep a person focused and prevent him
from straying into questionable web-sites. If the problem is getting lost in
the web, then the solution is a guidance system that keeps us from getting
lost.
Rich Wolpoe
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Considering that one the beneficial effects of dietary restrictions,
restrictions on wine, etc. was to limit socio-cultural intercourse and
and prevent intermarriage with non-Jews, it seems like you are making
a good case to assur the Internet or at least severely restrict its
use.
Kol tuv,
Shlomo Godick
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Sammy Ominsky <sambo@charm.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Haredim and Internet
richard_wolpoe@ibi.com wrote:
> Let's created a kosher ISP, that flashed little diveri torah or reminders such
> as shovisi or other mnemonics, that might keep a person focused and prevent him
> from straying into questionable web-sites. If the problem is getting lost in
> the web, then the solution is a guidance system that keeps us from getting
> lost.
This is easily do-able. Know where I can find investors?
Really. I mean it.
You're right. It would take real huzpah to access inappropriate sites with
a pop-up Shiviti window.
---sam
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:40:49 +0200
From: "Akiva Atwood" <atwood@netvision.net.il>
Subject: RE: Haredim and Internet
> Baruch shekivanta! The Gerer Rebbe shlit"a refused to sign
> the ban arguing
> that the internet had far to much value to just throw it away. He did,
> however, require the use of "machshirim".
>
According to this weeks english HaModia, the Gerrer Rebbe was actually
*more* machmer -- forbidding internet even in the workplace.
Akiva
A reality check a day keeps
the delusions at bay (Gila Atwood)
===========================
Akiva Atwood, POB 27515
Jerusalem, Israel 91274
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:42:07 +0200
From: "Akiva Atwood" <atwood@netvision.net.il>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Haredim and Internet
> You're right. It would take real huzpah to access
> inappropriate sites with
> a pop-up Shiviti window.
You cold just use NEOPLANET as your browser and create a Shiviti theme...
Akiva
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:43:06 -0600
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: Avodah V4 #277
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 09:37:58AM -0500, Markowitz, Chaim wrote:
: All the divrei torah and email lists I recieve come via email. I
: very rarely go on line to access any divrei torah. One could still have a
: ban on the internet and benefit from all of the above through email.
I agree that I understated my case.
A major advantage of the internet is the variety. I can get exposure to
rabbanim or communities that are far enough from my own derech to be found
on my bookshelf.
You can't search for which email list interest you without knowing
which servers are out there, or a web browser. Nor can you identify a
single back-issue that covers your question, as you can if you browse
the list's archives. Including Avodah's. (Although having an email
interface to our soon-to-be-released search engine would be a good idea.
Thanks!)
You can't get an article or anything of substantial length.
My hometown's frum community has a web site. I can check z'manim, shul
schedules, shei'urim, simchos, even sales in the local kosher grocery.
: There are other options besides downloading copies of teshuvos from
: the internet. If you make sure to carry a sefer with you when you travel
: then you will always have something to learn when you have a few miuntes to
: spare.
But, as I said, the variety isn't there. And there's again the question
of searching. I can search far more material than what's on my Bar Ilan CD
with a single "telnet".
To answer your BTW, the teshuvah in question was R' Avraham Shapiro on Kever
Rachel from Mossad haRab Kook. Avodah also had me looking through Amutat
P'til Techelet's archives as well.
For those who do have web access, I highly recommend
http://www.613.org/rav/notes1.html and http://www.613.org/rav/ravnotes2.html
-- which aren't otherwise available.
FWIW, I carry a seifer as well. This is "snippet" learning, answers to
particular curiosities. There's no replacement for sitting with a seifer.
This is only the religious positives. We didn't even touch the assistance my
parnasah ba"h got from what I learnt on the net. It takes work to maintain a
"maven" status in as quick-changing of a field as computer programming.
Of course, computer industry jobs are an extreme case. But I doubt there's
a single field in which access to information isn't a *major* help.
You can't manage your money (if, b"h you actually have savings) by email.
OTOH, my father gets much from his broker's web site.
But if you would prefer da'as Torah on the subject, the Gerer Rebbe when
asked to sign this ban, refused because the internet offers too much positive.
Instead, he required the use of "machshirin", which I presume means filtering
software. (Although if you live in Middlesex County NJ, such filtering can be
a major impedance. True, but still somewhat funny.)
R' Ovadiah similarly refused to sign.
Degel haTorah's position is also far less absolute. (As per the Agudah's
Mo'etzes.) For similar reasons: there's too much parnasah lost to just
make a blanket ban.
-mi
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:50:29 -0600
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: hareidi and internet
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 11:01:02AM +0200, Akiva Atwood wrote:
: The one area where computers *are* useful is in teaching problem solving
: techniques. Professor Papert at MIT has been researching this area for
: decades. (See his book MINDSTORMS for details).
My sister has done similar things (based on Papert's work) for P'tach, working
with HS girls.
Programming requires an organized approach to problem solving, breaking it
down into pieces, and when a piece is too big, breaking that down instead,
an attention to detail (a useful thing to have as a shomeir mitzvos, as well),
and other skills that are usually taken for granted.
: Once a person can discriminate between the factual and non-factual, then the
: web becomes useful. This usually happens at the college level.
I would think all it takes is to learn to be aware of your sources. If you
know who is behind the URL, you know how seriously to take the content.
But I think we've drifted from Avodah's focus.
The question is whether *yeshivos* should teach computers. Right now, they
offer access to many professions for which a trade-school level degree is
a sufficient foot in the door to eventually build to a decent parnasah.
-mi
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:52:33 -0500
From: "Stein, Aryeh E." <aes@ll-f.com>
Subject: RE: Mixed Seating
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Harry Maryles wrote:
"I find this so upsetting!
"Especially when the Previous RY of Chaim Berlin, R
Yitzchak Hutner, ZTL did not act that way. Why does R.
Aharon Schechter do this? Is he saying that mixed
seating is Assur? Is he saying that he is Frummer than
R. Hutner? There are Photos of R. Moshe Fienstien and
R. Yaakov Kaminetsky sitting mixed. Rav Aaron
Soloveitchik actually requests sitting next to his
wife even at a seperate seating affair. So it can't be
Assur. I DON'T GET IT!!! R. Rogov ZTL, when asked
about mixed seating by one of his brightest talmidim,
Rabbi Erwin Giffen ZL, whose wedding was mixed,
answered, "In Lita zennen mir nit geven makpid" (In
Lithuania we weren't Makpid)."
Personally, I don't understand why it should be "upsetting." If someone
wishes to impose upon himself certain restrictions, and decides not to place
himself in a situation where he may be exposed to "un-tsniusdika" sights,
this should be admired, not derogated.
Sender Baruch wrote:
>>"I have heard (and I have witnessed on one occasion) that
>>R' Aaron Shechter won't stay for the meal at a wedding if there
>>is mixed seating. "
"Is this what "people say"? Or do you know someone who asked him?
For example, on that one occasion - perhaps he had somewhere
else to go?"
As for Sender's concerns, I was at a wedding (that took place at a hall
located a considerable distance from Flatbush) when I noticed R' Shechter
leaving. A Chaim Berliner (or so he claimed) who was at the wedding
explained to me the reason for his exit. Of course, without asking RAS
directly, I have no way of knowing if it is 100% true. A lashon hora/motzei
shaim ra problem didn't occur to me, as I don't think his actions couldn't
be construed in a derogatory way. So much for my thought process....
kt
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Harry Maryles wrote:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"I find this so upsetting!</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Especially when the Previous RY of Chaim =
Berlin, R</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yitzchak Hutner, ZTL did not act that way. Why does =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Aharon Schechter do this? Is he saying that =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>R. Hutner? There are Photos of R. Moshe =
Fienstien and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>R. Yaakov Kaminetsky sitting mixed. Rav =
Aaron</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Soloveitchik actually requests sitting next to =
his</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wife even at a seperate seating affair. So it can't =
be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Assur. I DON'T GET IT!!! R. Rogov ZTL, =
when asked</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>about mixed seating by one of his brightest =
talmidim,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Rabbi Erwin Giffen ZL, whose wedding was =
mixed,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>answered, "In Lita zennen mir nit geven =
makpid" (In</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lithuania we weren't Makpid)."</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Personally, I don't understand why it should be =
"upsetting." If someone wishes to impose upon himself =
certain restrictions, and decides not to place himself in a situation =
where he may be exposed to "un-tsniusdika" sights, this =
should be admired, not derogated. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sender Baruch wrote:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>"I have heard (and I have witnessed on =
one occasion) that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>R' Aaron Shechter won't stay for the meal at =
a wedding if there </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>is mixed seating. "</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Is this what "people say"? Or do you =
know someone who asked him?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>For example, on that one occasion - perhaps he had =
somewhere </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>else to go?"</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As for Sender's concerns, I was at a wedding (that =
took place at a hall located a considerable distance from Flatbush) =
when I noticed R' Shechter leaving. A Chaim Berliner (or so he =
claimed) who was at the wedding explained to me the reason for his =
exit. Of course, without asking RAS directly, I have no way of =
knowing if it is 100% true. A lashon hora/motzei shaim ra problem =
didn't occur to me, as I don't think his actions couldn't be construed =
in a derogatory way. So much for my thought =
process....</FONT></P>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Aryeh</FONT>
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Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:04:31 -0600
From: Micha Berger <micha@aishdas.org>
Subject: Re: Haredim and Internet
Caveat: There are two opposite versions of the Gerer Rebbe's opinion floating
around, we have to dismiss the rumor mill.
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 11:11:04AM -0500, richard_wolpoe@ibi.com wrote:
: Hypothesis: one can engage in "borderline" activities if one has a solid
: menmonic to remind oenself, to make onself aware, of who they are where they
: are, etc.
: Some examples {that I can expand upon in another post} include eating with
: goyim, eating on the same table both milk and meat, an aveil working at a
: chasunah. Etc.
Add to your list, using a "blech".
Note that all these things are exemptions to gezeiros, IOW, ways in which one
need not be marchik mid'var aveirah in a more drastic way. Much like here.
: Let's created a kosher ISP, that flashed little diveri torah or reminders
: such as shovisi or other mnemonics...
You needn't do an ISP, you can do it using the same technology as those firms
that pay you to keep their ad window up. However, as KosherNet is history,
there's no hasagas gevul problem with your proposal.
-mi
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Micha Berger (973) 916-0287 MMG"H for 12-Jan-00: Revi'i, Bo
micha@aishdas.org A"H
http://www.aishdas.org Pisachim 98a
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light. Melachim-II 12
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