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Volume 04 : Number 211

Thursday, December 23 1999

• Re: Chronology of Judah's children and grandchildren
• Re: Child Raising Issues (was Re: Problem kids)
• Re: Kollel and sustenance
• Re: problem kids
• Re: a humble pixel
• Re[2]: problem kids
• Re: Avodah = Hisbonenus
• Re[3]: problem kids -correction
• Re: Re[2]: problem kids
• Re[2]: a humble pixel
• Re[4]: problem kids
• (Fwd) Slap in the Face
• Re: a humble pixel
• School visits/inspections
• Re: (Fwd) Slap in the Face

Would anyone care to take a stab at this one?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

And MY pet peeve is that during "kiddie" hour some TV stations show fairly 
innocent TV programs and then intersperse them with ads for R rated (that 
probably should be X rated) movie ads...

IOW even careful vigilance wrt to what TV programs are being watched doesn't 
prevent it from being circumvented by TV stations who are callously insensitive 
to keeping so-called "family hours" free of smut.

Rich Wolpoe


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<snip>
I don't think it's possible to prevent your child from seeing or 
hearing every inappropriate billboard, advertisement, etc. At some 
point, they are going to see or hear something that you did not 
want them to see or hear. (My personal pet peeve is the "clinica 
on" ads which run all day on the news radio here, vehameivin 
yavin). <snip>

-- Carl

--- "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il> wrote:
> On 22 Dec 99, at 21:11, Zeliglaw@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  RIETS has written 
> > bchinos for its Kolleleit. This is the best method
> of accountability for 
> > people who are somech al shulchan aviv. Do other
> yeshivos have this and if 
> > not why not? 
> 
> Some do and some don't. But then, we all know people
> who don't 
> test well and we all know people who test
> brilliantly without putting 
> in the effort. 
> 
> I am more than happy to trust Roshei Yeshiva to make
> the 
> determination of who should stay in Kollel and be
> supported, and 
> who should support himself if he wants to stay. I am
> familiar with 
> Kollelim in the States where that is done. In
> Israel, because of the 
> social issues, I don't see it happening.

I am a firm believer in testing knowledge, especially
when community funds are involved.  Just because some
one doesn't test well doesn't mean he shouldn't be
tested.  Can You imagine a brilliant surgeon not being
able to do well on a test because "he doesn't test
well"? Such a Med student wouldn't get past his firstb
yesr. Rather than dismissing "Bechinos" as means of
finding out who is really learning and who isn't.  We
should be teaching those who are weak test takers how
to take tests.  

There are such courses. 

For those rare exceptions that would fall through the
cracks, that might be brilliant but can't figure out
what to do on a test no matter what you tell them,
(kind of an oxymoronic situation, if you ask me) there
are other ways to determine if they are mastering
Torah Knowledge at a sufficiently high level. But for
the most part a somewhat standardized way of
determining who is shtieging and who isn't needs to be
adopted across the board on the part of all Yeshivos
and Kollelim.

Yeshivas Mir does NOT pay any of their Yungeleit
unless they take Bechinos. And indeed they pay you by
the Bechina. My son, who is in the Mir Kollel, takes
every Bechina he can.  

In my son's case, he asks to be tested all the time. 
He want's to make sure that he knows what he has
learned.

Anyone who is learning L'Shma should have this
attitude.  If they don't like being tested, then
perhaps they should be doing something else because I
doubt they are Shtieging.

HM
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--- "Mrs. Gila Atwood" <gatwood@netvision.net.il> 
wrote:

> > This leads to newer and "better" schools for the
> > precious darlings so they won't be tainted. 

> 
> This happened in our neighbourhood. We davka kept
> our girls in the original
> Beis Yaakov.  Rav Scheinberg actually sent a letter
> to support for our
> school.  My daughters benefit from the diversity in
> their classes. 

This is exactly what happened in Chicago.  Rabbi
Perlow, (The Novominsker Rebbe,  Member of the Moetzes
Gedolei HaTorah of Agudath Israel, and my 12th grade
Rebbe in Skokie) had always been asked be the RW
whether to open another school and he aslways rejected
the idea.  So some of these RWers decided to go to R.
Elia Svei.  Guess what he said.  A new school was
started "Al Taharas HaKodesh"

This phenomenon is the heart of what is taking place
in Jewish educational debate.  

Should we have "Elitist" schools that cater to
children of only the purest of lineage"(meaning No TV
homes, Chidren of Kle Kodesh etc.) or should we have
"inclusive" schools so there can be the type of cross
fertilazaiton of cultures and ideas and Hashkafos that
you hinted at in your post.

I obviously support the latter.  But there are those
who, with the utmost of sincerety, think that the
elitest approach is the only way to save Yiddishkiet.

HM
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--- "Mrs. Gila Atwood" <gatwood@netvision.net.il>
wrote:

> Mrs. Gila Atwood
> Are we only pixels in G-d's imagination?
> >
> 
> I hear your point,  and apologize if the sign off
> seems to be flippant and
> belittling.  It was not intended that way.  In terms
> of the idea of
> "imagination"-  this concept was derived from the
> Tanya.  We are created and
> totally encompassed in the machshava- the "thought"
> of G-d.

I have mentioned the past but I feel it bears
repeating in light of the above.

If memory serves, the above philosophy was originated
by Bishop George Barkley, the father of Idealism. He
believed that since corporeality cannot be proven
except through the 5 senses, we have no way of knowing
there is anything "out there" except for thought.  He
therefore posited that all of our perceptions of
corporealism  are nothing more than the mind of G-d. 

The question is who thought of it first, Bishop
Barkley or the Baal HaTanya? I'm not sure when Barkley
lived.

HM
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>>
This is exactly what happened in Chicago.  Rabbi 
Perlow, (The Novominsker Rebbe,  Member of the Moetzes 
Gedolei HaTorah of Agudath Israel, and my 12th grade 
Rebbe in Skokie) had always been asked be the RW 
whether to open another school and he aslways rejected 
the idea.  So some of these RWers decided to go to R. 
Elia Svei.  Guess what he said.  A new school was 
started "Al Taharas HaKodesh"

This phenomenon is the heart of what is taking place 
in Jewish educational debate.  

Should we have "Elitist" schools that cater to 
children of only the purest of lineage"(meaning No TV 
homes, Chidren of Kle Kodesh etc.) or should we have 
"inclusive" schools so there can be the type of cross 
fertilazaiton of cultures and ideas and Hashkafos that 
you hinted at in your post.

I obviously support the latter.  But there are those 
who, with the utmost of sincerety, think that the 
elitest approach is the only way to save Yiddishkiet.

HM<<

My Impression wrt RSR Hirsch was that we need BOTH tracks, an elitist track for 
teh Yakovs of the world to be protected and sheltered in the tents of Torah and 
a more inclusive track for those "Eisavs" who can be molded or influnced to go 
in the right direction.

My Mom was always vocal about supporting Jewish Trade Schools.  She would say 
waht's wrong with being an electrician or plumber?  Indeed what is wrong if we 
train frummer yiddn to make an honest living w/o having to be an Einstein or an 
Illuy?  forgetting the Torah aspect, why should honest, sincere kids who are not
scholarly be pressed into becoming Doctors/Laywer/CPA's/etc.  What's wrong with 
a community that welcomes and accepts frum 
builders/contractors/handymen/technicians/repairmen?

We even have as shomer Shabbos Texaco Station and garage in Teaneck with a cn

riclayers/contractors?k   

There's a chapter in Michtav mei'Eliyahu on the proper way to study mussar. It
involves taking a single line of the text, or a single pasuk on a mussar
theme and repeating it over and over. You contemplate every nuance of each
word, of the grammar, of the quote as a whole.

Interestingly, R' Eliyahu Dessler (RED) writes that this brings the idea into
the core of your being, *so that the pasuk becomes yours*. Compare that to
RYBS's comment on "Elokei Avraham ... Yitzchak ... viYa'akov", that they
made a kinyan on HKBH -- He was theirs.

If RED intended this study for roughly 20 min to half an hour, the practice
suggested exactly fits R' Aryeh Kaplan's definition of "hisbonenus".

I've tried it on a number of pesukim and tephillos. Many of the footnotes in
Ashirah Lashem started their existance in such contemplation. And you really
see how complex a pasuk really is. Equally valuable, it helps me deal with
the stress of the day, and not bite the kids heads off as much. Two examples:

1- Vayeishev Ya'akov vi'Eretz migurei aviv, bi'eretz Kenaan.

Some of the things I noted.
   a- Ya'akov was a Yosheiv, as opposed to "megurei aviv". Yet Avraham's state
      was more ambiguous, "geir vitoshav". Ya'akov's yeshivah is probably
      connected to his seeing Moriah as "beis E-lokim", as opposed to Avraham's
      har and Yitzchak's sadeh.

      Also "yosheiv ohalim" in the Yeshiva of Sheim vi'Ever. Whereas when
      he was with Lavan, it was "garti". Also, he goes down to Mitzrayim
      "lagur sham".

   b- He is called Ya'akov and the land is called Kena'an. Neither are Yisrael
      yet. Perhaps this is related to Rashi's comment (ad loc) that HKBH
      didn't think Ya'akov was ready for yeshivah yet.

   c- The esnachta in the pasuk means that we should read the first
      prepositional phrase as closer to the event itself than the second.
      IOW, "In the land of Canaan" is where "Ya'akov settled in the land
      where his father resided". And NOT "Ya'akov settled." Where? "In the
      land where his father resided, in the land of Canaan."

   d- Yitzchak isn't named. Ya'akov's choice of residence had to do with the
      father-son relationship, with maintaining his mesorah, not with Yitzchak,
      din, gevurah, avodah, etc...

2- Ana Hashem, ki ani avdicha ben amasecha (I never got to the rest of the
   quote.)

    a- RYBS has much to say about approaching HKBH, the Infinite, with "ana".
       Before bringing Him your petty and puny issues, first you have to grasp
       reshus to do so.

    b- I hadn't noted until that evening that we aren't asking reshus to be
       an eved, we're assuming that we are avadim, and that this status grants
       us reshus to ask for something else. KI ani...

    c- Calling ourselves from a line of ovdei Hashem, particularly with
       connotations of entitlement therefore, could sound like we're praising
       man. Yet we use "ani" (which in a Hirschian sense is a muted form of
       "`ani" -- poor), not "anochi". Then I realized that "anochi" doesn't
       figure in Hebrew as much by that time as it does in Chumash.

    d- Speaking of Hisch and aleph vs ayin, RSRH defined "eved" as a form of
       "oveid", someone whos will is submerged to serve another's. Contrast
       this to "amasecha", a servant who is like a forearm, and extension of
       the ba'al. One stresses the eved's loss, the other stresses the amah's
       current role. How does this relate to the difference in gender between
       the two?

    e- The line refers to my mother and not my father. Much like tephillos
       for cholim or shevuyim. There's a real sense of makom tza'ar. Which
       in turn is related to tzar, and the following word is "pitachta..."

-mi

-- 
Micha Berger (973) 916-0287          MMG"H for 23-Dec-99: Chamishi, Vayechi
micha@aishdas.org                                         A"H 
http://www.aishdas.org                                    Pisachim 88a
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light.         

Apologies, I hit the wrong button...

Here is the rest of my post  

We even have as shomer Shabbos Texaco Station and garage in Teaneck with an 
Isareli shomer shabbos owner in coveralls who does a nice business.

Perhaps it's not enought not to pressure kids into being talmidei chachomim, 
maybe it's time to drop the demand that they be professionals and focus upon 
their native talents and aptitudes and encourage them to be successful in their 
own way.  Wouldn't we be better off with kids blossoming forth with their 
naturla talents and not "force" them to fit a pre-defined mold?  Wouldn't we 
have a more well-rounded community if we included anyone making an honest living
and not jsut a select few professionals?

Rich Wolpoe

Rich Wolpoe writes:
: My Impression wrt RSR Hirsch was that we need BOTH tracks, an elitist track
: for teh Yakovs of the world to be protected and sheltered in the tents of
: Torah and a more inclusive track for those "Eisavs" who can be molded or
: influnced to go in the right direction.

The Maharal (Derech haChaim) similarly explains batei Hillel and
Shamai. Shamai ran the school for the elite, and therefore had fewer but
brighter students. The question of who to hold like therefore boiled
down to knowing what to do when "gadol mimenu bichachma" contradicted
"ubiminyan". Until the famous bas kol.

Speaking of that Maharal...

The perek in Avos is a series of quotes that follow the last five zugos (lit:
pairs; the religious leaders of the end of the second Temple era). The
Maharal notes that in each pair, the nasi's
quote reflects chessed and the av beis din's reflects din.

The last of these pairs is Shamai and Hillel. Shammai was the ABD, Hillel the
Nasi (note Avos 1:12 - 1:15). In other words, it was Shammai's job to be
the issuer of communal justice, and Hillel's job to be the organizer of
communal kindness and charity.

So, when the gemara blames machlokesei Beis Hillel and Beis Shammai on "shelo
shimshu es Rabbosam", the Maharal explains that since they didn't get that
level of personal contact, they saw the roles, not the people. So Hillel's
School, founded by the dispenser of chessed, developed a chessed-centric
view of the Torah, whereas Shammai's school ended up more din oriented.

Note that the Zohar says that Beis Hillel is rooted in the sephirah of
chessed and Beis Shammai in that of gevurah (strength, restraint).

-mi

-- 
Micha Berger (973) 916-0287          MMG"H for 23-Dec-99: Chamishi, Vayechi
micha@aishdas.org                                         A"H 
http://www.aishdas.org                                    Pisachim 88a
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light.         

Undoubtedly Hashem thought it first  <smile> - at least its possiblity He 
thought of First.

Ein kol chodosh Tachash Hashoemsh?!

Rich Wolpoe

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The question is who thought of it first, Bishop 
Barkley or the Baal HaTanya? I'm not sure when Barkley 
lived.

HM
_

Indeed the wisest of our sages would see how Hillel and Shammai COMPLEMENTED 
each other rather than opposed each other.

I imagine that's what we mean when we say (al pi chofetz Chaim I think?) that 
Hashem wants both Chassidim and Mmisnagdim to each serve Him each using their 
own derech.

Perhaps we should view education etc. as not a competition or a contest, but 
rather as a co-operative venture.

Remember that Tzibbur is notrikon for Taddik beinoni Rosho. We need a wholistic 
community that allows for BOTH excellence and mainstream types, "Iluy" and 
"Amcho" together.

Rich Wolpoe

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<snip>

The last of these pairs is Shamai and Hillel. Shammai was the ABD, Hillel the 
Nasi (note Avos 1:12 - 1:15). In other words, it was Shammai's job to be
the issuer of communal justice, and Hillel's job to be the organizer of 
communal kindness and charity.
<snip>
Micha

I received this email at home today.

-- Carl

Dear Friend,

I have enclosed an essay that I wrote based on my feelings about current
events. The views expressed are SOLELY my own.

For those of you reading this in Baltimore, please note the upcoming
opportunity:

2. WiG in MD, USA:
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:26:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Shmuel Ben-Gad <shmuelb@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Save this date
From: Gilbert Denise <Denise.Gilbert@WWFUS.ORG>
     On January 9, 1999, the Women in Green are having a membership drive
with an elegant dessert at 1:30 pm at Barbara Ann Bloom's house.
     Men and women are cordially invited to attend at:
44, Caveswood Lane, Owings Mills, MD 21117.


Take a look at what's happened in Israel this last week: Har Habayit is
being torn out from underneath our feet; Chevron is sacrificed in the name
of peace; and the Golan is being traded like Boardwalk and Park Place.

But, who has time for these issues, and besides, what can we do? We're busy
taking care of our families and our parnassa. The kids have to go to school;
you've got to get to work; there's a doctor's appointment, groceries and
homework to attend to.

How many of you know, that just last week, the Arab authority in charge of
our holiest site desecrated the holy grounds where our Batei Mikdash once
stood. In the most dishonest fashion, in the middle of the night, the Wakf
threw over 100 trucks of holy ground from Har Habayit into Jerusalem dumps,
and no one can stop it. This is "Admat Kodesh" being defiled, being buried
under the stench of Jerusalem's' municipal garbage, and yet, we all go about
on our merry way. We daven, we learn, maybe we make a parnassa on the side.
Hashem will take care of everything; we can continue to live our lives like
the sensible, reasonable Western-cultured human beings that we always were.

When are we going to wake up? How do we live our lives with this incredible
Chillul Hashem going on, and yet, we are apathetic and dulled to the entire
situation! So many of us "Anglo" olim don't even know what is going on here.
We don't understand the Hebrew news, who has time for a newspaper, and we
are so busy trying to keep our heads above water in this foreign society, no
one has time for this stuff.

The same antiquities authority that can't, no, that won't put a stop to the
desecration of our holiest real estate, wants to be very sure that no
buildings get placed in Chevron's Tel Rumeida neighborhood. "It is too
dangerous to the surrounding archeological digs," they say. Chevron, the
City of our Fathers, the city where Dovid Hamelech started his kingdom,
where our ancestors, the founders of Klal Yisrael are buried, and we can't
build there. We, the only ones who have been concerned with the sanctity of
Chevron's holy sites, can not continue to live in the City, because we may
cause damage to antiquities, but when the filthy Wakf uses damaging tractors
to clear out a new mosque in the Holy of Holies, and dumps all the
antiquities into the trash mound, well, that is OK.

When you were making aliya, did you have time to shop for appliances? When
you bought your house, did you somehow find the time to meet with the
kablan, the carpenter, the agent, the plumber, and every other worker who
showed up? Of course you did, because it made a difference to you. Why
doesn't the defilement of everything holy to us make a difference?

The answer can be only one of two things. Either we don't know what's
happening around us, or we simply don't know what to do. How do you find out
what's going on? Don't expect to see it in your local paper. Unfortunately,
the major news stations and papers have a political agenda in this country.
You won't here about the real story from them. Try Arutz Sheva. They have
English programming, and they are not state controlled like the rest of
them.

What can you do? Make your views known. Be part of the statement that there
is a huge portion of the population who really do care about these important
issues. Where I come from, it was only the most outspoken of citizens who
would dare to put a political sign on their front lawn. What right do I have
to exert my opinions in public? I would never have done this in the states.
That's the way we were brought up. But, my dear Anglo friend, we're not in
Kansas anymore.

When you care about something in Israel, you fight, kick, and scream until
you're heard. Just look at the trucker's recent strike about the rise of
fuel prices. 500 trucks from all over the country brought Jerusalem traffic
to a halt for quite some time. Over what? Was it over the entire source of
their existence? Was it over anything near the significance of what's been
described here, lehavdil? Of course not, but protest is a legitimate form of
disapproval here, just as is asking someone how much they earn, or how much
they paid, things we'd NEVER ask in the States. We're in Rome, and if we
care about something, we darn better learn to do as the Romans do.

Tachlis, what do you do? There is no question that Tefilla is the most
powerful tool that Klal Yisrael has to avert the evil decrees that are upon
us. Perhaps, though, tefilla is not enough. We can't rely on miracles. We
need a Nachshon ben Aminadav, Esther Hamalka, or the Macabe'em, the "Do-ers"
who bring the salvation. Someone needs to arise and call to us "Whoever is
to Hashem, come with me!"

This Monday, at 7 PM, BeEzrat Hashem, there will be a mass protest on Har
HaTzofim against the continued defilement of Har Habyit, the heart of our
people. We can rally for Chevron, and we can rally for the Golan, these are
important limbs in the Jewish body. But, the Har HaBayit is the heart and
the soul of the Jew. Without standing up and fighting for our heart, how can
we expect Hashem to help us to keep our limbs. For what is the Golan without
Chevron, and what is Chevron without Har Habayit.

There will be organized transportation from the Beit Shemesh area to and
from the protest. Take the time, even if it means missing work. You'd do it
to meet with the airconditioning guy, or to save money on a house remodeling
job. If you'd do it for your house, why not for Hashem's? Without giving of
your time now to show Hashem that we do care to save the heart of the Jewish
Nation, there may not be a Golan for you to spend a vacation in next year,
Rachmana Litzlan.

For more information about the protest, see the posters around the city, or
call Aryeh Sonnenberg at 991-7334 or Shoshana Shillit at 999-2805 or Debbie
Buckman at 991-8492.

BeVirchat Ha'am VeHa'aretz

Aryeh Sonnenberg
Technical Writer
New Dimension Software
A BMC Software Company
02-679-5070 x336
aryeh_sonnenberg@bmc.com 


Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for our son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.  
Thank you very much.

Carl and Adina Sherer
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

RHM writes:
:                                           [Bishop Berkley]
: therefore posited that all of our perceptions of
: corporealism  are nothing more than the mind of G-d. 

I understood his position to be that all that exists are our perceptions.
There is no "underlying reality" being perceived. I don't remember a
theological aspect to it.

I already noted Gila Atwood's creative signature (and its implications WRT
the many worlds theory as propounded by R' Jack Love), and it was taken as
a given by all involved that she was defining existance as being within the
"Mind" of G-d. I also mentioned then that R' Aryeh Kaplan (The RAK Reader,
vol I) says that in death the neshamah moves from Binah to Da'as.

I would therefore reassure Noach Witty that this sentiment has no implications
about the stature of man. It's definining existance, and not redefining man's
proportion to the rest of existance.

I also think the notion of "pixel" is very apt. The point and the potential
are inherent in the monitor (or printer, or whatever), however the pixel itself
can assume a variety of states -- Lashem or La'azazel.

To quell David Finch's objection: Gila isn't calling a person a pixel of
the Divine "Image", she's calling us pixels in an image G-d is drawing,
one that runs from Adam to Techiyas haMeisim (and beyond?).

-- 
Micha Berger (973) 916-0287          MMG"H for 23-Dec-99: Chamishi, Vayechi
micha@aishdas.org                                         A"H 
http://www.aishdas.org                                    Pisachim 88a
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light.         

David Finch <DFinchPC@aol.com> writes in v4n206:
: Just display Rosenzweig's "Star of Redemption," and take bets on the result.

Well, if you play your cards right -- free tuition. I mean, how many schools
would turn away a Kiruv case? What would happen to the kids r"l if they didn't
take them? You just have to present it right. <grin>

-mi

-- 
Micha Berger (973) 916-0287          MMG"H for 23-Dec-99: Chamishi, Vayechi
micha@aishdas.org                                         A"H 
http://www.aishdas.org                                    Pisachim 88a
For a mitzvah is a lamp, and the Torah its light.         

I cut most of the message. Essays like this make one more sympathetic to the
heresies of Yeshayahu Leibowitz. Sorry.

Yosef Gavriel Bechhofer
Cong. Bais Tefila, 3555 W. Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659
http://www.aishdas.org/baistefila    ygb@aishdas.org

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl and Adina Sherer <sherer@actcom.co.il>
To: <avodah@aishdas.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 4:15 PM
Subject: (Fwd) Slap in the Face


> I received this email at home today.
>
> -- Carl
>
> Dear Friend,
>
> I have enclosed an essay that I wrote based on my feelings about current
> events. The views expressed are SOLELY my own.
>
> For those of you reading this in Baltimore, please note the upcoming
> opportunity:
>
> 2. WiG in MD, USA:
> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:26:47 -0500 (EST)
> From: Shmuel Ben-Gad <shmuelb@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
> Subject: Save this date
> From: Gilbert Denise <Denise.Gilbert@WWFUS.ORG>
>      On January 9, 1999, the Women in Green are having a membership drive
> with an elegant dessert at 1:30 pm at Barbara Ann Bloom's house.
>      Men and women are cordially invited to attend at:
> 44, Caveswood Lane, Owings Mills, MD 21117.
>
>
> Take a look at what's happened in Israel this last week: Har Habayit is
> being torn out from underneath our feet; Chevron is sacrificed in the name
> of peace; and the Golan is being traded like Boardwalk and Park Place.
>

*********************


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